Message from @Raymond

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2017-07-23 09:40:46 UTC  

It's an universal law, we observe that all around the globe no matter the origines

2017-07-23 09:41:07 UTC  

There is no atavism regarding to birth rate

2017-07-23 09:41:14 UTC  

@Gavroche so do you think the census projections are correct or false?

2017-07-23 09:42:07 UTC  

Can't say, not an expert in statistics, not yet. It depends of many factors

2017-07-23 09:43:27 UTC  

But you're implying that seeing as they live in poverty, poor Hispanic communities will experience more child deaths than wealthier families? Based on what? Crime? Sickness?

2017-07-23 09:45:54 UTC  

Well, in post-industrial countries such as the USA, even poor families experience few infantile mortality, but it exists, and their lifes are shorter due to socio-economic conjectures

2017-07-23 09:46:43 UTC  

Plus, their birth-rate quickly copy the birth-rate of the country they live in

2017-07-23 09:47:16 UTC  

Not if propaganda comes into play though. Most change is due to immigration

2017-07-23 09:48:38 UTC  

I don't think their birth rate will copy America's either. Africa Americans have a huge birth rate but they kill each other so much they're making hardly any demographic change.

2017-07-23 09:51:34 UTC  

I took a look at the census statistics, it seems like USA will remain mainly white even in 2050

2017-07-23 09:52:35 UTC  

Well if you don't count Hispanic whites, they make up like 46%

2017-07-23 09:53:04 UTC  

There's also a sensationalist meme that future Americans will all be mixed.

2017-07-23 09:54:22 UTC  

Well, the thing is, the USA is historically an immigration country, it don't belongs to anyone but natives which are extinct for the most part

2017-07-23 09:54:27 UTC  

I don't see it as a big deal

2017-07-23 09:55:28 UTC  

I know, but isn't it awful that Hispanics are going to be double the black community and like 25x larger than the natives? Blacks and natives have a deep rooted history in America and they're being outdone. It's not fair on them.

2017-07-23 09:56:04 UTC  

fairness is pretty subjective

2017-07-23 09:56:42 UTC  

Most people would call it unfair.

2017-07-23 09:58:48 UTC  

If the time you spent on a territory give you any rights upon it, well, natives should kick our ass off of the North and South America

2017-07-23 09:59:07 UTC  

If you want fairness, there's one

2017-07-23 09:59:41 UTC  

I'm not American.

2017-07-23 09:59:52 UTC  

Natives will never have that chance.

2017-07-23 10:00:03 UTC  

Indeed, but it would be fair

2017-07-23 10:01:02 UTC  

That's out of the question, what isn't out of the question is natives someday increasing their birth rates. However, with this immigration, they will be overrun quickly.

2017-07-23 10:01:18 UTC  

They're like 2% of the population

2017-07-23 10:02:41 UTC  

It's not out of the question, you were implying a correlation between the time spent by a population on a territory and its rights upon it, I just put this thinking to its limits

2017-07-23 10:04:00 UTC  

@Gavroche so natives are not linked to America?

2017-07-23 10:05:26 UTC  

Of course they are, more than any europeans. So if immigration is an issue, it's an issue for natives

2017-07-23 10:05:53 UTC  

@Gavroche that was my whole point

2017-07-23 10:06:09 UTC  

You are a native ?

2017-07-23 10:06:15 UTC  

No

2017-07-23 10:06:37 UTC  

Ok...

2017-07-23 10:06:42 UTC  

I'm a bit confused here

2017-07-23 10:07:00 UTC  

My ancestors were oppressed, I can sympathize with the natives

2017-07-23 10:07:59 UTC  

If we're talking about immigration, the first immigration to discuss should be the european one. And mexicans are also europeans in fact.

2017-07-23 10:08:31 UTC  

Well European immigration has slowed down and now it's primarily South American.

2017-07-23 10:09:06 UTC  

And south americans are descendants of european

2017-07-23 10:09:17 UTC  

No they aren't

2017-07-23 10:09:28 UTC  

They're half Spanish, some of them

2017-07-23 10:09:37 UTC  

Well, they were

2017-07-23 10:09:47 UTC  

Of course they are, you really believe 95% of the population in SA is related to natives ?

2017-07-23 10:10:07 UTC  

Much of it is, they're a nation of rape babies