in a capitalist society

you won't benefit in a capitalist society by being unemployed

Norms are part and parcel in any culture

as well as standards

Yeah. We're not getting anywhere.

Even if you established a new culture to escape those norms

you'd create your own standards and norms

others may disagree with those

But no one is obligated to them, in any scenario. That's my only point.

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Not unless you want to get arrested for public indecency

Maybe I do.

Well that is disobeying your obligation

Why?

and you will get arrested

Maybe I want to get arrested.

If that's what I want to do, I'll do it. I am not obligated to NOT get arrested.

you're obligated to follow the law

Why?

Because it ensures the safety of society

maintains culture

maintains a people

Maybe I don't care about that.

You can't just live on your own

you will care when you understand the benefits society as a whole offers to you

Maybe I don't what their "benefits".

>maybe i just want to humans to never progress substantially and remain hunter gatherers because i don't benefit

Exactly. I am not obligated to enjoy anything.

If that's what I want to do, I can do it.

Sure, but you aren't looking in your interests

am I allowed to say communism is bad if I'm chinese

Why am I obligated to look out for my interests?

What sort of a question is that

do you want to die?

because you will if you don't look out for your interests

It's possible I would.

jokes on you I do

What's wrong with wanted to die?

Because thats counter productive and against our survival instincts

So?

If that's what I want. I can do it.