Message from @olev

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2017-09-19 07:14:50 UTC  

It's visible, I agree. In the US. But that was just recently. Within the last year. People just need to learn that rioting doesn't work here... stand proud but carry a big stick. That's what works here

2017-09-19 07:15:43 UTC  

Pacifism and posturing tends to be bad revolutionary praxis, in my reading of history, at least.

2017-09-19 07:21:01 UTC  

Tike to shitpost

2017-09-19 07:21:05 UTC  

Time

2017-09-19 07:21:19 UTC  

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2017-09-19 07:21:28 UTC  

Here's some free gifs

2017-09-19 07:21:37 UTC  

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2017-09-19 07:21:45 UTC  

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2017-09-19 07:26:33 UTC  

Leftbook is the dumbest fucking shit

2017-09-19 07:27:07 UTC  

Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of pacifism. Veganism too. But when you really think about it, both are idealism.

2017-09-19 07:27:56 UTC  

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2017-09-19 07:29:09 UTC  

I wouldn't support open borders in the context of the current system

2017-09-19 07:29:42 UTC  

I hate the way these anarchists look idk why

2017-09-19 07:29:51 UTC  

Edgy

2017-09-19 07:33:49 UTC  

@olev Why not?

2017-09-19 07:37:51 UTC  

It would lower wages

2017-09-19 07:39:11 UTC  

And there'd probably be a large flood of immigration

2017-09-19 07:39:40 UTC  

Please remind me of you ideology.

2017-09-19 07:40:07 UTC  

Yeah I haven't made up my mind about things but Idk about open borders

2017-09-19 07:40:44 UTC  

Anarcho-collectivist/communist

2017-09-19 07:40:57 UTC  

But there wouldn't be a large amount of immigration

2017-09-19 07:41:12 UTC  

Since they are not fleeing from oppression

2017-09-19 07:41:19 UTC  

Open borders with a People's Glorious Borsch Truck on every corner

2017-09-19 07:42:30 UTC  

Why would there be a large flood of immigration?

2017-09-19 07:42:45 UTC  

If we had open borders today?

2017-09-19 07:43:06 UTC  

Well, why the fuck would you want to live in shit living conditions if you can just freely move to somewhere better?

2017-09-19 07:43:21 UTC  

to seek wealth

2017-09-19 07:43:35 UTC  

This is why collectivists are labour aristocrats.

2017-09-19 07:43:44 UTC  

You want to hoard it for yourself.

2017-09-19 07:46:39 UTC  

On the flip side though, people having higher wages would prolong the capitalist illusion

2017-09-19 07:46:57 UTC  

And that pleases you?

2017-09-19 07:47:22 UTC  

I'm saying that it's the problem

2017-09-19 07:47:26 UTC  

hence why I said on the flip side

2017-09-19 07:47:53 UTC  

Cool.

2017-09-19 07:49:41 UTC  

I hope you understood my critique.

2017-09-19 07:51:02 UTC  

I do understand it

2017-09-19 07:51:07 UTC  

I have not thought about borders much

2017-09-19 07:51:38 UTC  

There's many things I haven't though much about, I'm still learning

2017-09-19 07:53:47 UTC  

Me too.

2017-09-19 08:56:11 UTC  

It's been a while: but on the topic of Pacifism v. Direct Action/rioting: There's not a lot of use of pacifism in history as I've read it to warrant ever calling it a succesful thing to do, or if it ever lead to anything happening on its own. In recent cases you could compare the results of the Occupy Wallstreat movement which was wholly peaceful vs the riots of Ferguson. Occupy lead to nothing going on, and in the long-game sense of it lead to a class of economically frustrated individuals that lead to Bernie and Trump, and when Bernie was booted out of the election then Trump became the momentary standard barrer for people dissatisifed with the economic direction. But in the end: Trump filled his White House with the same Wall Street people that got us into the mess before.

2017-09-19 08:57:25 UTC  

Compared against the Ferguson riots, which put so much in the way of danger that the fastest way to deescalate was to bow to the pressure of force and inact immediate reforms to try and heal the wounds. In a metaphorical sense, Ferguson became an open sore that festered and needed to be treated while Occupy was a simple cut that healed up on its own.