Message from @EALootcrates
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while still wanting
to cancel off all of it's effects
```Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy```
"social justice"
Social democracy, I can see why you guys would separate it entirely from socialism, after all, lenin and trotsky hated social democracy.
to be fair, the OG social democratic party was marxist
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them.
the left is basically a dying breed
do you even know what the means of production are?
that is radicalizing
hitting rock bottom more and more
every day
@EALootcrates Not exactly.
scraping the legitimacy
that's left
center-left keynesian policies are LITERALLY COMMUNISM
apparently
"center-left muhh"
what
the american "left" is center-right
wait, how retarded are you?
are you radical enough to call dems center-right?
the democrats still think universal healthcare, something promoted even by right-wing parties in europe, is pie in the sky
what
While modern leftism somehow progressively get's shittier every few decades, it seems that it has a strange cycle of degeneration and more radical left wing beliefs, and not the liberation of workers, or the abolishment of capitalism that we would commonly associate with radical leftism.
dems preach universal healthcare
and by the way
no respectful right wing parties
would want universal healthcare
not the Christian Democratic Party?
are you gonna say that's hard left?
first of all
name me 5 more
second
give me proof
i dunno, pretty much *every party* in Britain wants to keep the NHS
I'd hate to break it to you, but contrary to Cold War era propoganda would tell you socialism has a lot more to do with labor's relation to capital than anything else. I'm not even a socialist (I'm skeptical of the labor theory of value somewhat because I haven't read enough about it)
5 right wing parties that advocate for national health care?
yes
now