you people are serious

Stalin deserves a lot more respect than that, dude.

He took a nation of superstitious peasants and made them a nuclear super-power

superstitious peasants

he was an objectively terrible leader, he sent millions of men intentionally to their death against a superior enemy, and couldn't understand basic philosophy

Communism is a society / economic system that supercedes socialism (which supercedes cpaitalism), where the productive forces allow for material abundance (post-scarcity), all means of production are owned by society is characterized by the principle "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs"

why should i respect him?

Are you saying that North Korea fits this definition?

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the USSR and China fit this definition?

It's evident that you're an edgy 12 year old so maybe I'm expecting too much of you

no such thing as real communism arguments are fun

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maybe you geniuses will get it right someday

Get what right?

whatever bullshit you're up to

@Brigadeiro You should respect him because of the fact that he had a backwards nation that was up against the full might of Fascist Europe, and that Russia got through the biggest invasion in human history after the pussy West put off their share of fighting until Mid-1944

>what is the United States completely industrializing the USSR with a lend lease

tankies are awful

The producivity of the USSR was purely quantitative and not qualitative

>What is the USSR having to move their industry beyond the Urals to keep them away from Nazi Bombing runs

Worker productivity was still painfully low

@olev Quality is a quantity all on its own -Stalin

the fact hitler was as conceited as stalin and still managed to take a fairly sizeable chunk of russian land within a span of a few months is impressive

Don't know if stalin actually said that, don't know what the fuck you're trying to say

You can't disregard quality

'i take random quotes out of context to prove a point never made - machiavelli'

Russians made some high-quality gear too

Military equipment?

Yeah

the planned economy was shaped for the needs of the military

The Russian idea of "Quality" is not what your inner German engineer thinks of it

Which mostly led to the defficiency in consumer goods

And if stalin did say that

No wonder, because the productive success of the soviet union was purely in quantity

@olev Do whatever it takes to get through the war, consumer goods is not as important as national survival

They never restored it

German Enginering just a ton of parts in a thing

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Overly complicated compared to Simple Soviet designs