Not many people like Trots to begin with, including other Trots, haha. OrthoTrots tend to get the most heat.

yo why is the left always seem to be punching left and be so cannibalistic?

like what went down in the spanish civil war not saying the "republicans" were going to win but the infighting kind of handed victory to Franco

@quiscalus Some of what Trotsky theorized was decent, but a lot of it was just idealistic nonsense that had no basis in reality.

Anarchists hate Trots because of ukraine and Kronstadt

Also how they view the USSR

I will admit that he was a brilliant writer though.

Goddamnit myi nternet is shit

How is it idealistic

yeah I heard about the black army and them being crushed by him and the russsian state

But definitely a sub-par theoretician. Certainly not anywhere near as good as say Mao, for example.

how do I type lol

like at the city I live in some 19yo SJW anarchists wanted a professor removed for being racist because he thought your shouldn't judge people on the basis of race

Idk anarchists are spergs

like they took over the school but because they are 19yos with no real weapons or combat experience they eventually gave up

@olev A lot of it is just the result of fallacious reasoning and mental masturbation not borne out of a factual analysis of material conditions.

You're just rewording what you said before, and not explaning how

"Permanent Revolution" is an absolute joke to say the least.

I am far from well versed on leftism but isn't it mainly making sure workers and people have self determination and increasing their material conditions?

Well permanent revolution is sort of 2 things

First, to put it simply

I am personally a persona skeptical of successful revolution in wealthy western democratic nations especially with strong standing armies

Is that in feudal countries like Russia, the bourgeoisie are not able to carry out the tasks of the bourgeois-democratic revolution

So the proletariat and peasantry needed to unite to complete the tasks of the bourgeois-democratic revolution, and then carry it further to a socialist revolution

I know what Permanent Revolution is. I'm intimately familiar with Trotskyism. Allow me to clarify.

I'm explaining it to the other guy

Ah, okay.

ok cool sorry

So this part of the theory was in contrast to the stageist theory, that the bourgeois-democratic revolution had to happen first and advance capitalism before a socialist revolution

I'm pretty sure it was orthodox marxists that held the stageist position

sorry to be asking questions as you explain stuff but what is bourgeois-democratic revolution?

Abolishing the monarchy/feudalistic system

ok

cool

Like the american revolution and french revolution

So this was literally what happened in Russia in 1917

The proletariat carried out the tasks of the bourgeois-democratic revolution, and it was also a socialist revolution

I heard dr wolff talk about this people trying to move from feudal societies to capitalism

The other part is that revolution cannot remain isolated, and must spread

And that socialism cannot be achieved in one country, and if it remains isolated then a bureaucracy arises

And then it will inevitably revert back to capitalism