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2017-12-07 01:17:06 UTC  

I think it is funny that he rails against bourgeois revolution where you just trade the state and capitalists with bureaucrats so seek coveted and wealthy positions within the state but that is what happened imo to the USSR

2017-12-07 01:18:42 UTC  

Ideally, it would be predicated on Soviet Democracy, which is a form of Direct Democracy. It's also known as Council Democracy. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. These, in turn, can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at state level. The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.

2017-12-07 01:19:04 UTC  

I haven't read enough but I feel the conditions for communism are hard to meet but I understand people leveling the accusation that a lot of leftist politics now and "socialist" groups are just reformists advocating for reforming the state but still having the division of power in regards to production still having owners separate from workers

2017-12-07 01:19:51 UTC  

There would be no division of power in that respect.

2017-12-07 01:20:52 UTC  

And the leftists who tend to talk bad about major socialist organizations that are actually doing great work in their communities tend to be the reformist social democrats.

2017-12-07 01:21:26 UTC  

Marxist-Leninists are revolutionary socialists, not reformists.

2017-12-07 01:21:50 UTC  

yeah without having the workers owning the means of production you can never have the destruction of class in society, people manipulate the objective of socialism into reformism moving the goal posts

2017-12-07 01:23:18 UTC  

Yeah, unfortunately there are quite a few "gradualists" out there, but they aren't usually boots-on-the-ground in the community doing shit. At least not in my experience.

2017-12-07 01:23:38 UTC  

I am shocked at how modern society totally revises the goals of socialism to make it non dangerous social democracy, just vote for your leftist party and expand the welfare state without changing the material conditions that lead to class division

2017-12-07 01:26:04 UTC  

You know the left can’t meme

2017-12-07 01:26:11 UTC  

That is the original

2017-12-07 01:26:22 UTC  

Leftists are the biggest normies

2017-12-07 01:27:00 UTC  

I could be off base and my thought be a bit conspiratorial in nature but do you think there was an organized campaign to misinform people about the nature and goal of socialism both smearing it as being against freedom and dominant cultural values while removing its teeth and making it about expanding welfare within the current state?

2017-12-07 01:27:11 UTC  

Yeah, this is why it is necessary to build dual-power institutions.

2017-12-07 01:27:43 UTC  

@quiscalus Well, social democracy was nothing more than capitalist reaction.

2017-12-07 01:27:46 UTC  

I am not read up on that can you better inform me?

2017-12-07 01:28:02 UTC  

in regards to dual power institutions

2017-12-07 01:28:10 UTC  

It was a foolish attempt to placate the disgruntled unwashed masses into submission.

2017-12-07 01:28:13 UTC  

Go back to new zeland

2017-12-07 01:28:22 UTC  

Yeah, sure. @quiscalus

2017-12-07 01:29:34 UTC  

@black jack you got us everyone knows we don't really want to remove class division it is really are secret hatred of being white men and we desire submission from LGBTQ+ POC, you dudes were right all along lol

2017-12-07 01:29:44 UTC  

Lmao

2017-12-07 01:30:05 UTC  

To tru

2017-12-07 01:30:24 UTC  

Just sayin

2017-12-07 01:30:33 UTC  

The left can’t meme

2017-12-07 01:30:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/388140236057608219/46c.jpg

2017-12-07 01:30:50 UTC  

Ew

2017-12-07 01:30:55 UTC  

That’s the worst meme

2017-12-07 01:31:09 UTC  

Proved my point

2017-12-07 01:31:48 UTC  

The left is to busy posting pics of there food

2017-12-07 01:31:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/388140512131022858/the-left-cant-meme-guy-whos-been-telling-nothing-but-24484167.png

2017-12-07 01:33:21 UTC  

That meme is old

2017-12-07 01:34:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/388141082996637708/1493124307064-931.jpeg

2017-12-07 01:34:39 UTC  

my general perspective is the right is unified because it is all about not losing shrinking power that they once held being a white dude in the west guaranteed you a certain standard of living as capitalism functions crisis arises stripping power and wealth from the group. Instead of looking at the system that is causing this they focus on idpol and immigration, immigrants coming to the US is the the cause of your lack of power but a symptom arising from the change in material conditions in peoples lives.

2017-12-07 01:34:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/388141253792890882/image.jpg

2017-12-07 01:34:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/388141290413490177/image.png

2017-12-07 01:35:22 UTC  

*is not the cause of your lack or power

2017-12-07 01:35:30 UTC  

Not even. That person is a severely ill, and theoretically inept weeb.

2017-12-07 01:35:43 UTC  

Hardly a representative of the socialist movement.

2017-12-07 01:35:54 UTC  

Just a cosplayer.