because they will survive

@Syrus#6284 Yhea no shit, when you have bandits, barbarians, khans, islamists, and vikings everywhere, and combined with the idea that people were generally fucking dumb as bricks at that time, they will naturally breed a lot.

than the problem is a cultural problem

@Syrus#6284 Even when it happens for tens of thousands of years without stop?

yes

but its harder to remove it

as you could argue stress does affect genetics

Tell me what culture there was in 30,000 BC.

war everywhere

the middle east created civillization

@Syrus#6284 Meh, more like the occasional rape, fistfight, and stealing, the only habitation there was were caves in the side of hills.

in mesopotamia

around that time

How do you know it didn't originate from america? Or china? Or japan? Or australia?

archeology

Elaborate.

back than europe was mostly tribes

like the hitties

or the thracians

or the germanic tribes

Is a tribe not a civilization?

not a traditional one no

i dont see the commanche as a civillization but the aztecs were

Why? They are in a permanent place of living, they provide for themselves, they have their own culture, language, and religion, so what makes them not a civilization?

they can not effictively build structures for permanent residence

its one of the defining traits of a civilliazation

Really? A hillforrt is not an effectively built structure for a residence?

its a pre curser though

i said permanent

nomads dont count

for that reason

A hillfort is a permanent defense.

they didnt have em yet

with your date

it took about a few hundred more years

Nobody did in 30,000 BC.

The most people were concerned with was living in a naturally made cave for the night, and then roaming around the country side looking for deer and then fucking off to a new area once they went extinct.

humanity

im so proud

And then when winter comes around 9/10 people die and then you start repopulating rapidly.

doesnt humanity still drive creatures into extinction to this day