Message from @Firefly
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Even with correct data
The result is wrong
It's possible. Nothing in science is final.
What if most scientists never learned the correct one?
What I really need is a better theory to disprove the First Mover argument.
Not a hope or a prayer.
The best argument is to ask for the evidence of the first mover.
If we don't see him thats it
No prove
Otherwise is just imaginary logical combination in abstract.
Matter is different from imagination
It is a logical deduction based on the scientific theory that motion and time had a beginning.
What kind of thing can activate matter into motion?
Matter is always in motion and always been and always will be.
That is how far we know
Without logical imaginary theory
Maximum in the past we look at the far reaches of the universe and we see matter.
Additions to it are more subjective.
They rationalize what we see.
And project the past and future.
That's not very convincing. At one time the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun was considered 'additions of subjective'. It depends on observations whether a theory is imaginary or not. You cannot just close your eyes and ears if the observations become awkward.
My observation is no single thing start moving after the first mover.
Because I never seen him.
You're right. It is a projection into the pasts, but based on observations.
So my observation is correct?
My observation is current.
Your observation is refined by theory
Of a Catholic priest
Kind of. We can observe cosmic background radiation, which is a thumbprint of the past. It is not correct to say that it is pure projection.
Looking into a telescope is looking into the past, etc.
@Deleted User It is a wrong theory and incorrect thought process.
Sorry, can you rephrase that?
If all we did was observe current things, we would not be able to observe motion. Motion is also a subjective theory, following this idea.
I'm ok with observations. I just think there is different versions.
Of theory.
And at this moment there is not enough evidence to follow one of them.
I'm not saying observations are incorrect.
That's true and reasonable.
I'm just not fanatically into one of the theories.
I hope that I am not a fanatic. But I do base the scientific authority on the one with the most evidence and least contradictions.