Agrees on what?

If you have something able to move by itself - like the universe, than there is no need for the first mover. But you deny universe the ability to move by itself. You think it is about causality. And the cause is just an abstraction.

The reality is different from abstractions of 1300 priest.

Whatever reality is

Is anything pushes atoms to move or they move by itself?

Do they have some kind of charge?

From the first mover?

Where is it registered?

By who?

Necessity is defined as 'unable to cease to exist'. A necessary beingness must exist, either its the universe itself or God. For the universe (matter/energy), the Principle of Conservation of Mass-Energy says matter and energy are never lost but rather transmute into each other. The problem is that we do not know if this law is eternally true. If it ever changed, or had emerged the way it is sometime in the past, it would mean that the universe could cease to exist. Also if matter and energy are also necessary then no changes could take place because it would destroy the relations within the universe, which are supposed to be necessary (unmovable). Further if the universe infinitely regresses, there is no ultimate explanation of necessary being, and it is impossible to prove. The universe existing 'for itself' is not a defensible position.

@Deleted User I'm losing you now.

I am trying to condense a lot in small format.

Do atoms have a charge from first mover or they move by themselves?

It would be much easier if you read Aquinas.

@Deleted User I've read Christian philosophers 15 years ago. Was not impressed at all.

Sure.

I switched to Buddhist

They been more rational.

The idea that matter 'moves by itself' has no explanation. It is just a vague statement.

It is an observation.

No, the observation is that matter moves. The cause is not determined by only observation.

The cause is not important. It is abstraction.

The observation is correct.

So you observe that matter moves. Congratulations.

@Deleted User You just not make abstractions on top of it.

Is it hard to do?

I guess not. But then you statement is wrong. You said matter moves by itself. But really only abstractions can allow you to think about how it moves.

@Deleted User That is correct.

The question of what kind of abstractions. How much are they detached from matter.

That's fair.

Commie cancer

In Marx's opinion Hegel had absolutely correct abstractions. But all results of his thought were wrong.

The only thing you are good at is starving yourselves

Even correct abstractions detached from matter are incorrect.

Not to mention incorrect ones.

Hitler will bomb your ass with his amazing Stukas

Watch how he fucks over Poland in just a few weeks

Losing 80% of your army to starving Slav is not a good look for the Aryan Supermen.

(((Hitler)))

The only thing you Commies did that was good was kill those Muslim towelheads

did any of you vote for comrade corbyn?