https://discord.gg/WegQ7zn

I think people should try to understand fascism in general

How it works, why it works and why you think it's bad

I mean white nationalism in itself is bad, but you get falangist types that reject ethno-nationalism.

Fascism is always self-centred.

Is it

I think you could argue that for any system

Is altruism self centred?

They'll tell you thay class-cooperation is proof that it isn't so self centered.

Class-cooperation for what ends? It's own.

Well imagine going into that argument not knowing how fascism has worked in the past.

Okay.

I see militarism and bravado.

Same

Nazism, Italian fascism and falangism feature strict violent hierarchies.

Nothing I want to be apart of.

Mostly based off of pretty arbitrary bullshit.

I agree. It values mythology over theory. It is a lie, in the end.

>muh peoples

I don't even mind the idea of "civic - nationalism" or patriotism

I'm not really a fan of using it to justify an oppressive system

Usually the folks who push it are disingenuous

I suppose it has its uses, and is somewhat natural, but it lacks a wider perspective, which in my opinion also limits it. Having a global perspective is important, especially nowadays, to make good decisions.

When pushed, patriots will retreat to "not my problem", and this is bad.

Hmm

I feel like my country only manages to make things worse for other countries

I like cooperation and international solidarity

I would love if the leftists of the Americas were both constructive and cooperative.

Me too. Capitalists also love patriots because of the 'me first' mentality. It is no coincidence that America is both the biggest capitalist power and the most patriotic.

Nah a lot of Americans hate America

Not the majority.

Fascist governments are the most patriotic

Not hyper capitalistic

Well, Fascists are the just the guard dogs of capitalism.

Despite being enemies of free capitalist countries

In name only. They entrench class and private property harder than anyone.

If Communism wasn't a threat, Fascism wouldn't exist.

Even if you don't want to believe that fascists were buddy buddy with capitalism

Falangism definitely played nice

(reposting this to compensate for users in other time zones)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3SM40yI8ec