Message from @OPPAI LOVER

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2017-07-18 01:48:25 UTC  

I am a Democratic Soc

2017-07-18 01:48:34 UTC  

"meet hot red's near you"

2017-07-18 01:48:43 UTC  

geg

2017-07-18 01:48:55 UTC  

I'm an Agrarian Socialist

2017-07-18 01:49:06 UTC  

ohhhh

2017-07-18 01:49:42 UTC  

y tho??

2017-07-18 01:49:45 UTC  

Hmm?

2017-07-18 01:52:27 UTC  

why are you an agrarian soc??

2017-07-18 01:52:49 UTC  

Its the form of communism I can most agree with. need to clarify its authoritarian agrarian socialism though, im not for decentralization.

2017-07-18 01:53:48 UTC  

Just think an agrarian way of life is better. I've lived in a big city and a small town, small town all the way. Helps that Alabama still has a lot of farming as its economic basis

2017-07-18 01:54:10 UTC  

plus its traditional and conservative, which I am.

2017-07-18 01:54:51 UTC  

oh I can agree

2017-07-18 01:55:03 UTC  

I mean we are rice farmers

2017-07-18 01:55:18 UTC  

my fam has some land

2017-07-18 01:55:22 UTC  

and we farm it

2017-07-18 01:55:30 UTC  

i fux with that

2017-07-18 01:55:39 UTC  

plus i am asian

2017-07-18 01:55:47 UTC  

we literally rice farmers

2017-07-18 01:55:48 UTC  

I took farming in high school, was fun and pretty simple.

2017-07-18 01:55:49 UTC  

top kek

2017-07-18 01:56:00 UTC  

yeah i k what you sayin

2017-07-18 01:57:53 UTC  

what country you from?

2017-07-18 02:23:10 UTC  

hi

2017-07-18 02:23:20 UTC  

Its 3am here

2017-07-18 02:23:47 UTC  
2017-07-18 02:24:06 UTC  

lol pablo escobar is the main meme man

2017-07-18 02:29:36 UTC  

@Deleted User gave you a bump.

2017-07-18 02:30:47 UTC  

Agrarianism was indeed a healthier life but we cannot go back. Progress or die, now.

2017-07-18 03:24:24 UTC  

"english"

2017-07-18 03:54:56 UTC  

How can Anarchist territory exist in the world without 1) preparing human nature for it or 2) defeating the global capitalist threat who will crush it? A strong Socialist state is needed to address both these points.

2017-07-18 03:56:02 UTC  

This πŸ‘†πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌ

2017-07-18 07:13:53 UTC  

https://discord.gg/ZCvCW3 M-L specific server. Actually anyone except leftcoms, ultras and trots can join and anarchists can join too if they want

2017-07-18 07:14:36 UTC  

ancoms*

2017-07-18 08:29:42 UTC  

I started out as AnCom thanks to Kropotkin with Marxist sympathies (I really like both of their bodies of work). A few months ago, Muke engaged me in conversation and convinced me to go through State and Revolution...

If we want a revolution that is maintained, we need a strong socialist state. Period. Lenin makes good on Kropotkin's weak points in his theory. As Chopin said, humans have to be ready for it.

Actually how Chopin said it was better period. We have to prepare human nature for it. Going full AnCom can work with a small commune... but a larger society requires human nature to be adjusted for it.

It isn't a natural jump from people that have had to live in a world devoured, exploited and controlled by a predatory market. My Hegel is a little weak, but it just does not flow naturally, analytically speaking.

We *need* a strong socialist state to advocate for and defend our fellow Proletarians from the blood hungry Capitalist warmachine. A centralized power that can both arm and organize the people's defense forces is paramount to defend the new Socialist state and the Proletariat.

A centralized power will also make the accounting and distribution of goods both significantly easier and efficient. Otherwise we risk famines and the outbreak of otherwise preventable illnesses during and after the transition period.

tl;dr: There is no lasting revolution without a state.

If my understanding is off, please correct me. I'm relatively new to more centralized ML theory. Thank you.

2017-07-18 09:20:31 UTC  

this pretty accurately describes the few discussions I've had about the topic itself

2017-07-18 09:28:20 UTC  

any atheist here?

2017-07-18 09:32:58 UTC  

There are plenty

2017-07-18 09:48:23 UTC  

Plenty.

2017-07-18 10:21:09 UTC  

@Deleted User If the conclusions I've drawn from the revolution here in the US is any indication, one of the factors that lead to a succesful revolution here in America, as opposed to France was that the institutions put in place already existed in the form of the colonial charters and had existed for a century or more at the time of the revolution. The people who managed and fought the war for independence had already been living and acting semi-independent of the UK in the mode of government they would adopt after 1776 and revise and strengthen in the 1780's. As one scholar put it - I really need to find and read that book, "On Revolution" - the Patriots had the sewing part down as much as they did the cutting.