Message from @kriegsmariner VA
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So in that case, woulden't he be fascist?
Sorel is often considered a proto-fascist
but he's a weird one he'd go back and forth from being an ansyn to natsyn
Okay? If he was ultimately considered a fascist and a national syndicalist, then why would you even cite him as a socialist?
because syndicalism is a form of socialism
>Falangists destroy CNT FAI
>Mousillini purges communists and anarchists
What?
because they were'nt the same kind of socialists
By that definition, WW2 was leftist infighting.
and radically different views on social issues
Fascism is not a left or right worldview
Now hold on, there is no way that a socialist would be somebody like cordreanu, or mousillini, because, they fight for both their race, and nation, and an economy that benefits the NATION.
their economies were syndicalist
de facto socialism
So you call it socialist, but in reality it is just yours by claim?
its not marxist socialism
but its socialism
every great nationalist movement has had some socialist ideals if not a very socialist economy
every great socialist state has been somewhat nationalistic if not atleast patriotic
To the fascist state comes first but had syndicalist economies
So you then admit that national socialism IS socialism? You have no good reason to believe that socialism means that workers own everything, and afterall, the people you have provided have worked against you, because some allowed private production methods, meaning that national socialism has every reason to call itself socialism.
To the socialist the likes of Stalin, Mao, Kim il sung etc class came first but had very strong patriotism and nationalism
That is true.
...a little.
Hitlerism is more akin to social democracy and is the forebearer of the current nordic model
Nordic countries used to be mildly ethnocentric as well
So while its not you're waspy capitalism
Its still capitalism
So in other words, you cocede that it is.
@Krieg#0336 I've always thought that Nazi Germany was a corporatist economy where the Government had a lot of influence over capitalist monopolies, nowhere near a social democracy ala Nordic countries. Also, on Mousillini being a National Syndicalist, from what I heard he abandond Syndicalism quite quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
And for the record, I would personally accept Strasserism as a form of socialism, albeit a bastard child of socialism and fascism.
@Builderelf You thought wrong.
Corpratism was more of a mousillini and pelley thing.
Any IWW member in here?
@stratagast Hi Doom.
@Krieg#0336
What is your reading list of Strasserism?
@Builderelf corporatism by definition is the organization of society based on collectives ie like in italy businesses of the same industry would be merged into one. They called it fascist syndicalism.
@Тхе Западни Србин#1770 https://revolutionarynationalsocialism.wordpress.com/
@Krieg#0336 But I thought the key thing of syndicalism was that it was owned by the workers, not the government?
Yeah, I’m in the IWW. I’m new though, just joined last month @stratagast
Also @Deleted User @kriegsmariner VA lemme do a bit of research here, I’ll try and find the people that said Germany was corporatist, and look at some of their sources. I’ll be back