Message from @rn
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And no its not, its an excess,
But also, I said in the context of america, and
If outside the context of america
Unless you're using the terms wonky, or at a nazi,
I'm using nationalist in the most literal, logical way you could use it, you are the one that has been too influenced by "anti-nationalist" (the word) propoganda. My arguments would stay the same if you substituted the word nationalism for patriotism.
They arent compatible. Nazis only use democracy to bring about autarky
Annnd
No, it literally is an excess
That you not only love yout country, but that you view your country as supreme
you are interpreting the term nationalist with a post ww2 anti-fascist witch hunt mindset
No, im interpreting it as it is.
That you can love your country, and not be a nationalist.
Because thats not what the word means.
I don't view my country as supreme, but to me I believe that the interests of the home nation are to be given preference generally over others as a general rule
I understand what you are saying
"I dont prefer my country, but I prefer my countries and others prefer theirs"
If you arent this, find another excessive descriptor
that's a pretty american definition
Its the definition
Words are transnational.
And yes, it is "one" definition
but I understand the two of you
But I can find you how many just like it?
Point is being patriotic alone isnt what makes you a nationalist.
There is a reason synonyms include jingoism
And chauvinism
I find that patriotism is more state-connected
Its just a love for country
and thus I prefer nationalism
as the word of choice
Its JUST a love of country, nationalism is believing in the supremacy of that country, relative to others
Idc how we pollute terms
look at the terms' origins
"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state
but nation is not state
Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above
How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...
Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.
*my views