Message from @rn

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2018-02-07 21:32:03 UTC  

And no its not, its an excess,

2018-02-07 21:32:17 UTC  

But also, I said in the context of america, and

2018-02-07 21:32:27 UTC  

If outside the context of america

2018-02-07 21:32:43 UTC  

Unless you're using the terms wonky, or at a nazi,

2018-02-07 21:33:04 UTC  

I'm using nationalist in the most literal, logical way you could use it, you are the one that has been too influenced by "anti-nationalist" (the word) propoganda. My arguments would stay the same if you substituted the word nationalism for patriotism.

2018-02-07 21:33:18 UTC  

They arent compatible. Nazis only use democracy to bring about autarky

2018-02-07 21:33:19 UTC  

Annnd

2018-02-07 21:33:27 UTC  

No, it literally is an excess

2018-02-07 21:33:43 UTC  

That you not only love yout country, but that you view your country as supreme

2018-02-07 21:33:49 UTC  

you are interpreting the term nationalist with a post ww2 anti-fascist witch hunt mindset

2018-02-07 21:33:57 UTC  

No, im interpreting it as it is.

2018-02-07 21:34:11 UTC  

That you can love your country, and not be a nationalist.

2018-02-07 21:34:24 UTC  

Because thats not what the word means.

2018-02-07 21:34:33 UTC  

I don't view my country as supreme, but to me I believe that the interests of the home nation are to be given preference generally over others as a general rule

2018-02-07 21:35:06 UTC  

I understand what you are saying

2018-02-07 21:35:21 UTC  

"I dont prefer my country, but I prefer my countries and others prefer theirs"

2018-02-07 21:35:33 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/410911489084489738/Screenshot_20180207-133526.png

2018-02-07 21:35:53 UTC  

If you arent this, find another excessive descriptor

2018-02-07 21:36:08 UTC  

that's a pretty american definition

2018-02-07 21:36:14 UTC  

Its the definition

2018-02-07 21:36:25 UTC  

it's one definition

2018-02-07 21:36:25 UTC  

Words are transnational.

2018-02-07 21:36:36 UTC  

And yes, it is "one" definition

2018-02-07 21:36:48 UTC  

but I understand the two of you

2018-02-07 21:36:49 UTC  

But I can find you how many just like it?

2018-02-07 21:37:06 UTC  

Point is being patriotic alone isnt what makes you a nationalist.

2018-02-07 21:37:17 UTC  

There is a reason synonyms include jingoism

2018-02-07 21:37:23 UTC  

And chauvinism

2018-02-07 21:37:24 UTC  

I find that patriotism is more state-connected

2018-02-07 21:37:31 UTC  

Its just a love for country

2018-02-07 21:37:33 UTC  

and thus I prefer nationalism

2018-02-07 21:37:52 UTC  

as the word of choice

2018-02-07 21:38:02 UTC  

Its JUST a love of country, nationalism is believing in the supremacy of that country, relative to others

2018-02-07 21:38:10 UTC  

Idc how we pollute terms

2018-02-07 21:38:34 UTC  

look at the terms' origins

2018-02-07 21:39:06 UTC  

"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state

2018-02-07 21:39:17 UTC  

but nation is not state

2018-02-07 21:39:45 UTC  

Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above

2018-02-07 21:40:09 UTC  

How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...

2018-02-07 21:40:36 UTC  

Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.

2018-02-07 21:41:06 UTC  

*my views