https://sputniknews.com/russia/201511121029956744-holodomor-hoax-ussr-ukraine-starikov/

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201503171019622653/

Borzo is the final gatekeeper of lefty/pol/

>sputnik
>not propaganda

>BBC
>not propaganda

>History.com
>not propaganda

>Encyclopedia **Britannica**
>not propaganda

oh they are too sure

redspark incendiarynewsservice and ndfp are not propaganda

@ACentralScrutinizer well sputnik might be propaganda but that stuff about the photo dating is true

And you see the writers of the black book falling for it and using that same incorrect dating

Using 1920s photos when talking about the 1930s

Why even attempt to apologize for Stalinism and the Soviet Union

It’s blatantly noncommunism

Märx would not approve of communism in one state

Socialism in one state

Full communism and socialism are diffrent

I'm not "apologising" for anything and I'm not ML
I just hate to see blatantly false info

I don't think this is worthwhile discussion between leftists but the facts and information need to be laid down because this is an unfortunate obstacle we have to overcome when teaching people

I know socialism and communism are different, full communism is the end goal (which is impossible of course)

And that’s fair man, im just so used to the constant soviet and Stalin apologists here who try and meme

DURR PAPA STALIN GOOD NEVER DID NO BAD HOLODOMOR A COMPLETE HOAX

Okay

DURRT STALIN KILL 10000 BILLION

So the Holodomor just didn’t happen ?

DUURRRR MUH HOLODOMOR

MUH GREAT LEAP

STALIN MAN BAD

NAZI PROPAGANDA GOOD

He was objectively a cunt though

Now that you’ve got that out of your system, are you willing to meet me in the middle?

Nazi propaganda bad, soviet propaganda bad

How hard was that?

being a cringy tankie fanboy helps nobody, however dispelling common reactionary talking points about communism is useful

Capitalist propaganda bad

and that requires talking about the USSR, both good and bad sides

Fascist propaganda bad

Soviet propaganda doesn’t exist

Capitalism is our only hope for a future and is the most successful system to date

No such thing as a perfect system btw

lol