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>when it references his works

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He just responds with *hurr durr wiki*

>wiki

waiting for an argument, bye

The Marxist definition of socialism is an economic transition where the sole criterion for production is use-value

Argument made

disprove

Him calling it lower-phase communism means literally the same thing as Socialism

ahahah

Wikipedia

omg guys do you still believe that shit

Articles on wikipedia are made by a bunch of anonymous ppl and you cant even know their intentions

@Cyborg And uhh, you confuse something here

Under socialism its production and exchange, not production for exchange

```Under socialism its production and exchange, not production for exchange```
Dude, this IS what I said

Do you know what *commodity-production* is?

Commodity production is made to be exchanged

that is the entire concept

You can exchange things and not have commodity production.

Yeah, that wasn't the USSR, the USSR was production and exchange

Yeah, Marx goes on this SAME problem. organizing it doesn't make it not in profit use

Pick up a book and read into soviet economics, tl;dr my argument

They actively had a system where they still used money and production to expand it. Organizing this production doesn't do anything

@η αρετή Ενωχ Are you actually critiquing wikipedia bc people made it? You do know it gets changed back when there are issues. Mods exist, you are essentially arguing that at this moment it has been changed to do something wrong (even though the page certifies it has no incomplete sections).

```Pick up a book and read into soviet economics, tl;dr my argument```
This isn't an argument in itself. And I don't have to read much more to know they still had capital and produced to expand it.

Capitalists can quite literally organize a conglomerate to plan out the productivity and it is *still* the same thing

https://youtu.be/7bihRNhUqc8

What the f

Also
https://youtu.be/lro-8GOpmSk

can you guarantee me that wikipedia has the truth

Who the hell are the mods?

@η αρετή Ενωχ can you guarantee someone else does?

Who are the people?

i don't know their names 🤔

what

https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780190695545.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780190695545-e-50

Depends on the source

You can read this too