Message from @Cyborg
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Mao abolished that so its irrelevant to my standing
>mao
we aren't on PRC
The USSR still had a system which did not show a full value of labor. It was still based on capital production and was still beyond the actual production times.
aka, wages still existed
So what was it then
Ive heard you retards call it "state industrialism", which is moronic
>ignoring what I just said
You just reverted the topic
Apparently finbol has a better understanding of Marx than you, doubt you would even hold up debating him
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Just ignores the fact they literally had wage labor
Are you EVER gonna respond to what I said
or just bullshit your way out
>wage labour bad and not socialist
Wage labor is literally NOT Socialism
that is a fucking core tenet of what it *doesn't* have
>literally every socialist state has retained wage labour
>when they didn't abandon the capital mode of production
>when they all maintained capital
*capital* mode of production btw
You can't just keep using the "muh commodity form and red fascism" to distance your ideology from things you find hard to defend, like gulags and famines, you literally only hold these dumb beliefs just so you can bullshit your way out of anti socialist arguments
Bruh, you are just ignoring it now
>ignoring it
no, im insulting you
I literally never distanced from it. I still defend alot of Soviet aspects.
*But they weren't Socialists in the initial nature, which is what I am after*
Yes, because you can't argue
Of course the anarchist tard can only reduce to insults
Then debate finbol
Oh, you cant because you are literally to much of a coward to go on his server in VC and do so
```Since under capitalism wages are the price of labour-power```
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch33.htm
They did their payments based upon the exchange values (see piece-rate system). Unironically the only difference is it's a fixed wage
```Oh, you cant because you are literally to much of a coward to go on his server in VC and do so```
So I can have 15 people yell at me for disagreeing?
What's the matter
can't argue for yourself?
>implying everyone is a debater
no, but you are obviously not going to debate someone who can debate you, because you'd be afraid of losing
yes Leah, because you don't have to be a debater to understand concepts.
Such as wage labor, or commodity-production
Finbol can hit me up anytime and if he presents something solid, he can have it. I don't care to be right. I care if I am not disproven and you're still claiming shit.
I debate people who CAN debate me every single day
Finbol is not some god
If you want, tell him I disagree. I'm not gonna go and vc and debate, sure. Purely because it's much easier to trip up, miss something.
I like my conversations to be *conclusive* and have everything needed to be said, said.
Then literally go in ULP and do so