You've dismissed two links both showing the same thing so you've already shown you don't care.

>his reforms were rejected by the central committee

*and both go to marx btw*

yes, having reforms rejected doesn't mean much. Who was telling workers what to do, Leah?

Not Stalin, moron

Was it them just doing it for use? Or because someone planned them to do so

I didn't say Stalin

>implying intelligentsia is not proleterian

What is the state at all? Just capitalists? That's a hOt take dude

>implying a planner is not intelligentsia

By the way, what is the piece-rate system?

Full value?

😂

Mao abolished that so its irrelevant to my standing

>mao

we aren't on PRC

The USSR still had a system which did not show a full value of labor. It was still based on capital production and was still beyond the actual production times.

aka, wages still existed

So what was it then

Ive heard you retards call it "state industrialism", which is moronic

>ignoring what I just said

You just reverted the topic

Apparently finbol has a better understanding of Marx than you, doubt you would even hold up debating him

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Just ignores the fact they literally had wage labor

Are you EVER gonna respond to what I said

or just bullshit your way out

>wage labour bad and not socialist

Wage labor is literally NOT Socialism

that is a fucking core tenet of what it *doesn't* have

>literally every socialist state has retained wage labour

>when they didn't abandon the capital mode of production
>when they all maintained capital

*capital* mode of production btw

Not Capital*ist*

You can't just keep using the "muh commodity form and red fascism" to distance your ideology from things you find hard to defend, like gulags and famines, you literally only hold these dumb beliefs just so you can bullshit your way out of anti socialist arguments

Bruh, you are just ignoring it now

>ignoring it

no, im insulting you

I literally never distanced from it. I still defend alot of Soviet aspects.

*But they weren't Socialists in the initial nature, which is what I am after*

Yes, because you can't argue

Of course the anarchist tard can only reduce to insults