I feel that it clearly says another man must kill he who commits murder

The word is powerful beyond what most people would think

Yes, but who particularly gave YOU the power to kill him?

I understand that, but it is not what I believe is meant from this passage of scripture

God will likely have someone else who is not a Christian kill the murderer

not me particularly, but God says a man who kills will be killed by man

Did he say that? my issue with that reasoning is that it never says "he who kills will be killed by someone without faith"

it says he who kills will be killed by another

So the LORD said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD [fn]appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
Gen 4:15

God didn't say cursed

in this situation

As a Christian should NEVER kill someone even if it's in the name of justice

God will execute his justice.

I understand that. once again, I feel we are off track there.

God could let satan have someone kill the murderer there's no point to having some firing squad kill someone

we're all sinners my friend. God does not control people. that's the whole reason there are non believers. He gave us free will to make our own decisions.

ALSO importantly the death penalty deprives a person of the ability to come to GOD

Yes, but does that mean satan cannot effect you? certainly not

That is why there are preachers who go to death row

Satan allowed by God can put the will in someone to kill the murderer

You do not decide when someone dies it's as simple as that

Perhaps God planned for a later time for the conversion in this situation it doesn't help

No, but if someone kills someone, I am not deciding that they should die. they know the rule. they chose that they are willing to live with the consequences of murder, which God states is death. I am not choosing his fate. He chose it himself, I would simply be the one executing his fate

No person should ever kill or decide when someone dies whoever kills him was simply allowed to kill the person, but ofc that doesn't mean he didn't disobey God; God let him do it as it's apart of the curse.

I digress, thank you for this discussion, you've made me think for certain, and my mind, while not changed, is conscious of the situation you've presented. thank you, and have a blessed day

You too.

I'm pro-life and anti-death penalty. Humans have a right to life because we have human dignity. Part of the doctrine of human dignity is that we are born with human dignity. It's inherent. This means you cannot lose human dignity because of the actions you take. If you cannot lose human dignity because of the actions you take, then the death penalty is not justified.

Also one of my rules is never support someone doing something that you wouldn’t do yourself. I would never execute someone so why should I support someone else doing it

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What part of my statement confused you?

Well if God wants it it will happen

That brings up an interesting question, then. Most of the animals people eat for food received horrific treatment before they were killed that most people wouldn't inflict on an animal themself, and many people who pay other people to kill animals wouldn't be willing to kill an animal themself. What would you say in this case?

I mean I would be willing to kill an animal for food but I definitely think that the way we produce meat should be more humane as well

Alright. One thing to consider, though, is there's saying something and then doing it. Idk about you, but many people if actually faced with that option, to kill an animal for food, if not in a survival situation I'd suspect many would back off. It's an interesting thing to think about. Anyway yes society definitely needs to move towards humane treatment for animals even for the animals people eat for food. The way most animals in industry get treated today is not acceptable imo.

Pro choice gang

I have reasons come at me

uh-huh

I too like killing innocent babies for no reason

It's also, as you pointed out Pizza, the same thing with the death penalty. People actually responsible for executing people feel bad much of the time. They have to deal with the burden of killing someone (another argument against the death penalty).

You're not just killing a criminal but you also risk doing emotional damage to the people who are supposed to carry out the execution

And there's also the argument that you could execute an innocent person by mistake, and if you do, it's irreversible