Message from @Vice President SwagLord
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Exactly what Scientologists say too.
Joseph smith never claimed to be inhabited by jesus, that’s fake news.
We believe he was visited by jesus and god on hill camora in NY
He was visited by angel moroni in his sleep 5 times before that
Then an angel told him that he shall dig up the gold plates in 4 years
Joseph obeyed, and did so
Being that Jesus only came back to talk to his disciples...I kinda find it a little hard to believe he would come back.
But that’s my opinion
Then joseph received the urim and thimmum
and translated the golden plates
to english
and then boom that’s where the book of mormon comes from
Don’t take your sources about us from random people on the internet. That’s like listening to CNN talk about republicans
That would be like me telling everyone here about the furry community and telling you not to listen to other people.... it’s one person out of a whole community
Same thing goes for Christianity.
The “other people” are people who disagree with us
not us
Some furries disagree with each other, different Christian denominations disagree with each other.
Yeah
True
That’s what I was trying to mean, sorry
different christian denominations do indeed disagree with each other
So arguing really doesn’t do anything except bring more hostility
he is a qualified translator? Where are these tablets? Were they tested to see how old they are? Why would golden plates related to a hebrew nation be burried in america?
Don’t go asking those question Mercy
There SO much behind all of it
I mean.
Look at the Ark of the convent, and Noah’s ark. A lot of people ask where those are
Why would they be inscribed on gold rather than stone tablets like in the bible?
Gold is the softest metal so most likely to lose its carvings.
again there’s so much behind it
it’ll take me a long time to explain
"If you cannot explain something simply, you do not fully understand it."
The Ark was lost. Its in the bible, god deemed them not worthy of it anymore.
it even said "In those days when they still had the ark"
I know that.
But still, a lot of people ask where he took it. Because to them, it just seems as “an excuse on why it’s not around”
the gold plates originated in jerusalem in the 600 BC’s or so, they were records of the family of Lehi. Lehi saw a vision in jerusalem around 600 BC. In his vision jerusalem was ransacked and destroyed, and the city was in chaos and turmoil, so he told him, his spouse, and his children (sam, laman, lemuel, and Nephi)
To flee from jerusalem and go to north america, and not bring any of their valuables with them.
Lehi received a compass looking thing from god to show him the way, and god said he would give them instructions.
But then god gave them one more instruction to do in jerusalem, which was to get the golden plates from king laban. Who had the golden plates at the time. Nephi, Laman, Lemuel, and sam all went to do this, Laman and Lemuel constantly loss faith and did stuff and an angel stopped them. It took 3 attempts for them to get the golden plates, when god told Nephi to chop Laban’s head off with his own sword. So they got the golden plates, met a family and a servant of Laban, who they offered to invite on their journey to north america. and then god told them how to build a boat, I won’t get into details cuz that would take hours but once they got to north america they grew and formed a society, the golden plates were passed down from generation to generation, recording wars between the Lamanites (descendants of laman and lemuel) and Nephites (desendants of Nephi and Sam), they fought for a good 600 years in many different conflicts, until the lamanites wiped out the nephites in 400 AD, the last nephite was named “Mormon”, and he wrote the last part of the Book of mormon, then god told him to burry it on hill camora, and prophesied that one day, a foreign civilization led by god will come to north america and wipe out the lamanites by the millions.
about 1100 years later, the lamanites had become the incans and aztecs and stuff, worshipping many false gods, the spanish came and wiped them out by the millions.
that’s a super short summary of the golden plates
and then in the early 1800s Joseph smith dug up the plates from the place where god told him to find it
Thats defys history. America was not discovered until columbus and he only discovered it because he was trying to get to china and break the flat world theory so even HE did not know it was a new contenent yet. Not to mention Columbus only BARELY had ships and technology to get to the new world and that was well after 1000 AD. So the fact they managed to sail a ship across the sea, not financed by a big powerful government, on a distance farther than historically done before AND managed to find it, survive AND that they survived and managed to intigrate into Aztech society is contradictory. If they beleived in god they would not have joined with or made other aztech/inca gods, and if they did they would not have just taken those tablets to a magic place nobody would have found.
Also just because he found said plates does not mean they were true or even that they were Gods.