Message from @Eggy

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2021-02-03 18:20:58 UTC  

An entire treatise!!!

2021-02-03 18:21:08 UTC  

I'm back. Did well on my test. I do agree the big bang to be quite plausible and accept micro evolution. I gave the definition I operate on in my long message. Macro evolution I don't accept. Even from a logical perspective as I'm trying to discuss it from a logical perspective with an admitted Christian bias. Going on the presumption of the old earth, which I agree is very plausible and why I don't debate on the age of the earth. However, circumstances in the lab can be manipulated. Beyond that, yes, amino acids were created artificially, yet amino acids are critical to life, yet are not living themselves. Which, to my point in my long message is still non life and there is not yet substianted evidence that life can come from non life. I feel like I am to a degree regurgitating what I said in my large message.

2021-02-03 18:21:42 UTC  

Yeah, that's the point. if there are fundamental problems with the Bible that implies that the entire religion is unfounded. The key to change your beliefs to adapt to the new science and new information, not double down on your misinformation

2021-02-03 18:22:52 UTC  

except for the fact that I believe in creation so the religion isn't crumbling we find the problem in evolution and the answer that keeps on changing... how old is the earth? evolutionists can't give you an answer

2021-02-03 18:23:01 UTC  

I said it's plausible.

2021-02-03 18:23:45 UTC  

ok but the radiometric dating has proven to be flawed and not accurate

2021-02-03 18:24:12 UTC  

because scientists aren't working backwards. They aren't giving a number out of thin air and then trying to find data to prove it. They are always getting new information which is why we have a vague estimate but not an exact answer.

2021-02-03 18:24:13 UTC  

Dunno if you've already said this: science is meant to provide concrete explanations of the unknown. Religion is supposed to shed light on the unknown in a non-substantive way. One is clearly more valid than the other. Thus, scientific data must always be valued more than religious philosophy. That is the beginning of the end of Christianity, as science disproves key parts of it

2021-02-03 18:24:15 UTC  

The key to Christianity is not science. That can't make it break Christianity. The hingepin of Christianity is the death and resurrection of Jesus.

2021-02-03 18:24:24 UTC  

bruh

2021-02-03 18:24:48 UTC  

I love how Christians will say "science proves religion true" but thats a bullshit argument.

2021-02-03 18:24:57 UTC  

But if massive parts of the bible can be disproven or ignored can we trust any of it?

2021-02-03 18:25:18 UTC  

but they have though research the flaws with radiometric dating they are obvious.

2021-02-03 18:26:31 UTC  

That's why I try to dodge it.

2021-02-03 18:26:55 UTC  

That is the question and I don't have the answer. It again points to faith.

2021-02-03 18:27:18 UTC  

But when they already know how old something is and radiometric date it and it says its about a million years older I would say that's flawed

2021-02-03 18:27:28 UTC  

Really? Your only justification is to blindly believe in what has otherwise been disproven?

2021-02-03 18:28:19 UTC  

Because in several circumstances, the other hasn't been conclusively proven. I refer you back to my long essay from yesterday.

2021-02-03 18:28:38 UTC  

Ok but lets say they all are proven to be flawed... then what?

2021-02-03 18:29:09 UTC  

The thing is, although science hasn't found a "completely 100% definitive answer" to something like the Earth's age, we've learned enough to know that the Christian explanation is wrong, so we should stop talking about it and work to find the real answer.

2021-02-03 18:30:55 UTC  

the question is has anyone witnessed the beginning of earth? So technically speaking (if we are not counting creation) then this is all just speculation. Both opinions are wrong. We don't have any evidence for either.

2021-02-03 18:31:45 UTC  

Like God

2021-02-03 18:32:11 UTC  

Sorry this is off topic but @Southernpatriot01 am I right in thinking that you guys made a Christian server a while back? If yes, could I join?

2021-02-03 18:32:20 UTC  

We did.

2021-02-03 18:32:44 UTC  

@Southernpatriot01 would I be able to join as well?

2021-02-03 18:32:59 UTC  

Yes.

2021-02-03 18:33:22 UTC  

I think they have a lot of faith

2021-02-03 18:33:57 UTC  

supposedly

2021-02-03 18:34:04 UTC  

Well I have said in my large message that I'm not a scientist.

2021-02-03 18:34:08 UTC  

can they?

2021-02-03 18:34:34 UTC  

but every time I research evolution I see holes

2021-02-03 18:35:11 UTC  

no but it does mean evolution isn't right either

2021-02-03 18:35:19 UTC  

But here's the thing

2021-02-03 18:35:26 UTC  

Evolution doesn't have to be fully fledged out to disprove God

2021-02-03 18:35:48 UTC  

never said they equal God I said they just make me doubt evolution

2021-02-03 18:36:43 UTC  

Yes, but even if evolution isn't entirely developed as a complete and total theory, but we have MILLIONS of papers and data points that, even if you disregard large scale evolution, still disprove Christian teachings.

2021-02-03 18:36:47 UTC  

millions of pieces of data that all either contradict one another or are not what they seem.

2021-02-03 18:37:51 UTC  

ok so a scientist can recreate it in a lab. there wasnt a scientist years ago fiddling with the DNA of ants or whatever. They "did it on their own"

2021-02-03 18:38:38 UTC  

alright so if they did it on their own like i said it would take longer than scientists say how old the earth is

2021-02-03 18:40:13 UTC  

I still see the words "may suggest" which sounds like speculation

2021-02-03 18:41:08 UTC  

evolution is a theory exactly. It's not proven.