Point being, the wrestling match between angel and human: Humans struggle with deep truths all the time. And if we're not careful, such truths can seriously hurt us. People get PTSD from seeing true things that they're not prepared to handle.

Like, if you want a recipe for PTSD it's:

Relatively Innocent Person suddenly confronts an evil that they had no idea could have possibly existed, that's PTSD in a nutshell.

Alright, but anyways, sorry for all of that @revenant king. And I just want to stress, *none of this makes the fears we have any less valid.*

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Like, all this stuff I'm saying, that's not me laughing at you guys. You guys are touching on some really deep psychological stuff here. Just because I don't think there's a physical predator doesn't mean there's nothing to be afraid of. Hell, if anything, it's even scarier than that.

Because what the hell are you supposed to do about a predator you can't kill?

exactly! xD i gotchu bro. ngl, your doing a really good ob at rationalizing this stuff though.

and I don't feel like you de-legitimizing anyone's experiences.

Thank you.

Its 100% a sound theory and put in a way that does not negate other theories

@Kreia's Disciple you make solid points man

It's just stuff I'm passing on, people far greater than me rationalized these points out, I'm just passing them on.

Like Karl Jung is somebody who looked really deep into the human mind and found a whole lot of this stuff.

I'm just telling you guys what I've heard from people much smarter than me.

kinda agree exept for the part where it says that the angle touched his hip and he had a limp from then on

just sounds physical to me

so the people that Revelation called Synagogues of Satan were specifically the people who said they were Jews but were not. they were infiltrators of the church who it says were blasphemous.

so they we're not all Jews, to say that would be taking the verse terribly out of context and missleading

and the part about John 8:44 is also completely false and taken out of context. Jesus is talking to the Pharisees there, NOT to or about the entire Jewish state

Fair enough.

not trying to discount anything you said, just throwing in my 2 cents 👍

No problem, everyone deserves to be heard. It's what makes the community great is to discuss ideas. And there's no reason your ideas ought to be discounted out of hand if you discuss them in a rational way.

well said, well said

Yeah thats just text on a picture. might like the quote "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over essay" ~Abraham lincoln.

Anyone can put words on something that are not true. CNN and NY Times do it all the time.

There is not Jews , there Babylonians ... Jesus was from the Line of David.... they weren't, there is no more Jews in this world.

Read the verses in The Bible carefully

Those are exact verses too. There is a thing called context. something that is VERY needed for Revelations as most of that isnt even fact, so much as it is a symbolic writing written in the form of a greek play.

The verses also say that it is the churches of people claiming to be jews but are not.

It was a bad joke, or deluded picture. Just admit it.

fair but that meme is still absurdly out of context and just plain misleading

what No Mercy said is true

if you read those verses in context you will see that they do not mean what that meme implies

Nope .. read those verses out loud . Whole chapter .

i have memorized that whole chapter, it is very specific

Lord calls them Jews , but knows they are not . There is no more people from the Line of David.

Line of David.... now thats a name I haven't heard in a long long time... long time...

that is not speaking broadly of the nation of israel, it is speaking very specifically of people in Smyrna

you are decontextualizing that whole passage

Nope , He is telling us directly..... the True Israel is only the Ones who follow Him.
Not anyone else.

that is verifiably not true not, you know how to verify it? read the passage in context. read all of revelation if you have to