Message from @Toast

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2021-03-08 17:28:22 UTC  

Good point

2021-03-08 18:52:45 UTC  

We love and trust God, but we also admire and respect saints.

2021-03-08 18:53:09 UTC  

From my point of vue at least.

2021-03-08 19:18:49 UTC  

I can love and respect fellow believers without praying to them

2021-03-08 19:19:18 UTC  

I see.

2021-03-08 19:20:06 UTC  

No where in the Bible does it say to pray to anyone except God. Even when Jesus was teaching and someone said “Blessed be Your mother, Mary” he rebuked her for saying this

2021-03-08 19:23:31 UTC  

I like the idea these people were humans like us who did great things. God is absolute, but I personally find it sort of reassuring to try to connect to people who had a life. It completes God's message I would say.

2021-03-08 19:29:25 UTC  

You can connect to them by reading about them and studying them, sure. But it is not ok to pray to them as if they were God. On top of that, there’s no biblical evidence that they can hear prayers, and they certainly don’t have the power to do anything about it.

2021-03-08 19:33:10 UTC  

We know for a fact they are not godly figures, and praying is deeper than reading about somebody's story.

2021-03-08 19:35:46 UTC  

Side note, that is very interesting. Besides my mother, I do not have the occasion to talk about these kinds of matter with a Protestant.

2021-03-08 20:06:41 UTC  

Prayer to anyone except God is idolatry

2021-03-08 20:07:27 UTC  

God wants you to communicate with Him. You don't need the help of anyone to talk to God

2021-03-08 20:09:34 UTC  

I do not need help to talk to God. If I want to, I pray Him. Matters with saints are... different.

2021-03-08 20:10:35 UTC  

It ok to respect and admire the "saints". Learn from their mistakes or their good works. But talking to them to help you talk to God is dumb. No offense

2021-03-08 20:11:02 UTC  

I disagree. Saints are part of the religion, they are not god, yes, but they can be praised.

2021-03-08 20:13:00 UTC  

Praise as in admire or worship?

2021-03-08 20:13:35 UTC  

God is love

2021-03-08 20:13:45 UTC  

None taken. You are right, Catholics do that. But I guess I am a minority, as I do not seek their help to talk to God.

2021-03-08 20:16:08 UTC  

We do both with saints, though it can never be as deep and powerful as God's worship.

2021-03-08 20:18:31 UTC  

No you’re never supposed to worship saints, but you can ask for their prayers

2021-03-08 20:19:30 UTC  

God still loves you regardless of whether you are an American-loving patriot or an SJW blue-hair'd Twitter addict with gender pronouns in your bio.

2021-03-08 20:20:18 UTC  

Ah, english is not my mother tongue, so maybe I mistranslated worship?

2021-03-08 20:21:00 UTC  

Gender pronouns in bio <:MonkaSweat:646269398407184408>

2021-03-08 20:21:47 UTC  

What's your main language?

2021-03-08 20:22:47 UTC  

Nice

2021-03-08 20:23:31 UTC  

:) Can I ask you folks what is your branch of Christianism?

2021-03-08 20:24:02 UTC  

I'm protestants, pentecostal

2021-03-08 20:31:50 UTC  

God is the Ultimate Judge. He does pass judgement. Perfect Judgement.

2021-03-08 20:33:24 UTC  

Non-denominational, but leaning towards Catholicism. And yours?

2021-03-08 20:34:08 UTC  

If they repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Repent, meaning turn away from their sins and follow the Word of God.

2021-03-08 20:38:14 UTC  

Yes, He will accept you, but not for who you are in yourself, but for who you are in Him.

2021-03-08 20:39:44 UTC  

Catholic in practise. But my mother was a pentecostalist and my paternal grandfather was a calvinist.

2021-03-08 20:39:57 UTC  

What are your views on abortion? Do you think you can be a Christian and support killing the voiceless?

2021-03-08 20:40:29 UTC  

Where did the topic of abortion come from lol

2021-03-08 20:41:50 UTC  

F1xy thinks that God will accept you for who you are. But He says that one must come through Jesus to be accepted.

2021-03-08 20:42:48 UTC  

It doesn't matter what you did but it does matter who you are.

2021-03-08 20:44:01 UTC  

Yes, but you must turn away from sin and repent.

2021-03-08 20:45:11 UTC  

By turning away from sin and repenting you are effectively a new person, reborn in Christ.

2021-03-08 20:45:27 UTC  

So God is accepting the reborn you not the sinful you

2021-03-08 20:47:05 UTC  

NO, Jesus washes us clean of all of our sins. We are completely reborn.

2021-03-08 20:48:26 UTC  

smh