We have the fattest, richest, poor people in the world

yup

@nono You way oversimplify this problem. As an person who lived in socialism, I can points at least dozen why it doesn't work. But I wanna to find an example, visualition to counter this argument of leftist : "bEcAusE iT wAsnT proPerlY ImplemEnted.."

Correction: We have the fattest, richest, laziest, poor people in the world.

I could quit my job, and not do shit for money, and I won't starve to death

anywhere else in nature, if I don't hunt or gather food, or find shelter, I'll die

The reason why I work, is so I can have more than the basic necessities

https://tenor.com/view/we-live-in-a-society-society-joker-gamers-rise-up-gang-weed-gif-13919217

Extra wealth is my reward for my contributions to society

not to mention that extra wealth is an reward why you work, and why you have initiative to find new solutions. In socialism and other authoritharian systems (like feudalism etc) initiative is supressed

Take that away, then I stop contributing, but so does literally everyone else, then society collapses, unless you force people to work by pain of penalty of death or imprisonment. And if that's the case, you cannot claim to support socialism/communism and claim to be against slavery

exactly, in other systems lack of work is punished, but only in capitalism work and initiative is rewarded

or rather: in market economy, capitalism is an final form of that.

oof, that massive last minute of the power hour sell off

that's gonna hurt

and it goes back straight up

nobody wants to hold onto any stocks over the weekend

look at it!

wtf

straight to 110

damn it GME, it's the weekend now, don't rocket now

you had all day today and yesterday to take off

whatever, I'm not selling anyways

rocket away lol

same

I like the stock

Also, every time I see that video of Keith Gill giving that testimony about Gamestop, I keep thinking of John Travolta's character from Pulp Fiction

“Because it wasn’t properly implemented” is the “no true Scotsman” logical fallacy. That response is also suggestive that the respondent is incredibly egotistical or is an acolyte of someone who is incredibly egotistical. Anyone who thinks they have the right way to implement socialism/communism is highly probable to be one of the people who lives on the top of the Dunning-Kruger chart.

English please?

It’s moving the goalposts plus the utopia fallacy.

That wasn’t truly communism

Same logical fallacy

If they had just implemented it right

that is what I understand. Problem with most of "leftists" is like you said, they are mostly "acolytes" of this idiocy... and this is I wanna find someway to... reach them.

It must be done using the Socratic method

It is of the utmost importance that you force them to define communism at the beginning

Then they can’t backpedal and say what is or is not true communism

I typically go with the self ownership starting point

Me: Do you believe in slavery?
Them: No! Of course not! Slavery is horrible.
Me: So you believe in self-ownership?
Them: Yes!

Me: If you own yourself, do you own the fruits of your labor, assuming you didn’t infringe upon another person’s life or liberty in order to create that fruit?