I mean the meaning of real and tangible things that the average person in any organic society recognises and cares about, which apparently leftists are only capable of straw manning under several layers denial, instead of imaginary and vague ideas such as "humanity"

I think that we should make an effort to improve life for intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain.

See what i mean

Lmfao

What motivates you?

Serving the nation state?

what if my nation doesn't have a nation state

I don't think any average person thinks in the terms of nation state

But i definitely feel motivated by my nation in the most organic meaning

I personally feel it is important to help humanity as a whole. Not just my won nation. I have been to other countries and had just as strong a desire to help people there as in my own nation.

u already said that

Also struggle is what improves the lives of "intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain", not humanitarian ideas that any sane person avoids

I see no characteristic which makes the well being of my countrymen much more valuable than the well being of a foreign countrymen.

Gayest reason to care about the environment

Then you must be possessed by demons

only reasonable response

Yes

to that

Certainly demons

your definition of "improving life" ultimately ends up in stuff like feeding wild animals contraceptives

Sounds cool

You're some sort of modern day gnostic.

I am not very familiar with the "gnostic" but sure.

Whats the deal with Augustus in this server?

You're acting like some sort of slime or sponge. I prod you and you give in insomuch as I apply pressure. That's no fun.

How do I give in?

Whatever. Can you define what "improve life" means?

When you say improve for intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain

Create an environment which minimizes the pain both physical and emotional and maximizes the pleasure both physical and emotional of all people.

I think pleasure is good and pain is bad.

Therefore one should be maximized and the other minimized in society.

You didn't say all people originally.

What did I say?

If I said society I meant human society as in all people.

You said "intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain"

Yes

I think that intelligent animals that can feel pain and pleasure should be treated in a moral/ethical by people.

Why do you think pain is bad so that it has to be reduced (to minimum)?

Pain is a very healthy mechanism.

Not zero

Minimized to the greatest extent possible.