Message from @BigJim

Discord ID: 804194401488207873


2021-01-28 03:31:41 UTC  

Whats the deal with Augustus in this server?

2021-01-28 03:32:04 UTC  

You're acting like some sort of slime or sponge. I prod you and you give in insomuch as I apply pressure. That's no fun.

2021-01-28 03:32:30 UTC  

How do I give in?

2021-01-28 03:35:33 UTC  

Whatever. Can you define what "improve life" means?

2021-01-28 03:35:44 UTC  

When you say improve for intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain

2021-01-28 03:36:44 UTC  

Create an environment which minimizes the pain both physical and emotional and maximizes the pleasure both physical and emotional of all people.

2021-01-28 03:37:01 UTC  

I think pleasure is good and pain is bad.

2021-01-28 03:37:13 UTC  

Therefore one should be maximized and the other minimized in society.

2021-01-28 03:37:25 UTC  

You didn't say all people originally.

2021-01-28 03:37:46 UTC  

What did I say?

2021-01-28 03:37:59 UTC  

If I said society I meant human society as in all people.

2021-01-28 03:38:34 UTC  

You said "intelligent sentient beings capable of perceiving physical and emotional pain"

2021-01-28 03:38:44 UTC  

Yes

2021-01-28 03:39:25 UTC  

I think that intelligent animals that can feel pain and pleasure should be treated in a moral/ethical by people.

2021-01-28 03:40:13 UTC  

Why do you think pain is bad so that it has to be reduced (to minimum)?

2021-01-28 03:40:21 UTC  

Pain is a very healthy mechanism.

2021-01-28 03:40:26 UTC  

Not zero

2021-01-28 03:40:43 UTC  

Minimized to the greatest extent possible.

2021-01-28 03:40:52 UTC  

Literal tangent doesnt matter

2021-01-28 03:40:52 UTC  

Minimizing all pain would be basically impossible.

2021-01-28 03:41:26 UTC  

What?

2021-01-28 03:41:31 UTC  

Answer my question

2021-01-28 03:42:28 UTC  

Why do you think pain is bad? Pain is not bad.

2021-01-28 03:42:42 UTC  

Living things are practically wired to not like pain.

2021-01-28 03:42:51 UTC  

Pain worsens their lives and should therefore be abolsihed.

2021-01-28 03:42:57 UTC  

Pain exists to be bad.

2021-01-28 03:43:01 UTC  

That is it's purpose

2021-01-28 03:43:04 UTC  

how old are you

2021-01-28 03:43:30 UTC  

The question is: How old are you?

2021-01-28 03:43:41 UTC  

It's not about liking or disliking it's about being good or bad.

2021-01-28 03:43:45 UTC  

old enough not to think things as simplistic as that

2021-01-28 03:44:33 UTC  

I know you are

2021-01-28 03:44:48 UTC  

I know that you think you are so smart when you try to pretend that pain is a good thing

2021-01-28 03:45:06 UTC  

Pain is good actually

2021-01-28 03:45:12 UTC  

Ok how?

2021-01-28 03:45:22 UTC  

no I don't, it's not a particularly difficult concept to wrap your mind around

2021-01-28 03:45:31 UTC  

It is edifying

2021-01-28 03:45:34 UTC  

An "environment which minimizes pain and maximizes pleasure" is the most morbid thing i can think of. A state of living where people are restrained from natural behaviors and forced into a cuckbox so that they can be Happy™️ , essentially castrating them from pursuing any elevated form of Being.

2021-01-28 03:45:59 UTC  

Natural behaviors consist of rampid murder and rape

2021-01-28 03:46:11 UTC  

I don't care what is natural only what is good

2021-01-28 03:46:11 UTC  

are you are of the concept of anti-fragility chungus