Message from @Erlik ᚯ
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How do we know the baby will grow up to be Hitler?
he doesnt
but it will
What you should say his political goals aren't political, they are simply fantasies
what im doing is more interesting
He can wish whatever he wants but that's not how political laws work
The most interesting thing you did was shitting your pants
They sometimes call me a utopian but fail to actually substantiate it properly
you are
you believe in vague concept
of pleasure and pain of humans
that has no basis in politics in any history
By utopian I mean you are in same line with French utopians who believed in similar concepts out of some basic empathy and justified it with absolutely nothing
Not having justification for your desire is bad enough but they can't justify how to implement such goals in reality ether
History and present state of politics only confirm my beliefs, not yours
what I meant by you don't care for the outgroup as much as the ingroup, is if that if your vision of society is this liberal utilitarianism, that automatically puts you into an ingroup of liberal utilitarians that is in conflict with outgroups that don't want this vision enacted
Unlike you nationalist folks though my goal is not to benefit off of the destruction of other nations.
Ok we don't care????
Not even liberals can avoid that
US is pinnacle of liberalism and see what they are doing
You can say what you want but in-group vs out-group is part of political reality
case in point of what @Erlik ᚯ is saying, clinton was very liberal would you agree? and yet he killed Wolands family when he bombed the shit out of serbia
Yes.
What does Clinton and America have to do with this? I despise the US government.
state conflict is a zero sum game
weeks ago
states/nations cant be equally prosperous
so you either oppress or get oppressed
Some of this is true but I think the "oppress or be oppressed" attitude is problematic.
why
It creates an environment in which causing others to suffer is seen as not only acceptable but something to be desired.
no
How not?
it ''creates an environment'' where the suffering of others is judged by its utility rather than moral offence
jim think about what youre saying
Utility to what?
for a moment