So why should we embrace nationalism?

Or tribalism

seeing as it is the default state of existence its probably more appropriate for you to prove why we shouldnt

POV: you ask chungus jim "why"

Because it sows pointless divisions which prevent humanity from reaching the peak of it's capacity to enhance the well being of all people.

wrong

Ok

How?

ingroup preference or tribalism as you call it is a necessary trait in group survival. and seeing as how it will never go away its totally pointless to oppose it, unless you like the idea of being reduced to poverty and oppression for the sake of moral do-gooding

''modernity'' just does a really good job at obfuscating it but of course its still there and is still the driving force behind all politics

Minimization of it's influence can have positive effects.

how

So tribalism has occurred for all of history so it is pointless to oppose it?

and when

yup

So rape and murder has occurred for all of history so it is pointless to oppose it?

theres a *reason* to oppose murder - because it damages the stability of the group. same goes for rape

and it can be effectively reduced

Tribalism can also be effectively reduced.

nope

People are less tribalsitic now than they have been for previous past periods.

People have more empathy for people of different races and nations now than they have for most of history.

very specific groups of people (anglosphere/western white people). the rest of the world will benefit greatly from this resting-on-its-laurels culture as it currently stands

so when you say ''people'' you mean ''10-15%'' of the world

you think this is rare?

plenty of groups have been lost to foreign groups because they adopted this process

Did you know that not just the "rest of the world" but all people could benefit if tribalism was minimized.

They lsot because craxy tribalists remain

hahaha no

We need to give up on tribalism

i know you dont know history before 1914 but just use ur imagination of what happens when a group fails to mobilise together against a group that is unified

You people say "we never will". Perhaps we could if you would just let go.

actually we were flying very high before idiots like you started gaining traction

Who is "we". As in nationalists?

anglo-saxon civilisation as a whole

because nationalism didnt exist prior to 1914. it was the default position

Nationalism was the default position?

its stunning to me how little you know

a fascinating case of the victorian education system

I know