Message from @BaronVonDerDorf
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its idealism conforming to material necessity
ya race has less of an impact on foreign policy
I just don't know if the honorary aryans example in particular is a good example of this considering what Hitler personally believed about east asian nations
"Pride in one's own race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them"
I don't think they thought they were Sub-human. I think that was propoganda against bolshivism
from quora but imma try to find the source
Nigga all this shit is pragmatic language in war time to get more bodies
what is
yeah 1/2 of all slavs were going to be liquidated
"yeah bro hitler and his cronies didn't hate slavs trust me ur aryan"
greatest story never told moment
When everyone talks about Nazi views on race and all this it's silly, it's just opining on what amounts to clearly a pro-German sentiment with concessions here and there done for allies in a war. There may be some interesting here and there but a lot of it is aesthetics.
"I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves"
I like the era, I love the symbolism, I love some of the ideological basis of stuff but all in all it's a German thing that I can't really be a part of in that context lol
I can cargo cult the symbolism though :^)
alright I found this from wiki
85% of Lithuanians bruh \
Also yeah I like a lot of those groups and I'd rather they not be liquidated lmao, if that really were their plans
Whatevs I'm a Croat they'd have let me live I guess lmao
Same since Im bulgar
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But again how much of this is sort of the typical musings of ideal situations rather than actually what would've happened lol
Himmler had a lot of *out there* ideas
Im reading abt that rn
Learning about the history these governments and their plans is fun and all, plus they serve as a level of inspiration for some, but in the modern context it's largely useless to obsess over their mythos and perspectives too much
You can learn about their views on race all day but it doesn't change that for say the American context the RW is rooted in some sort of White Nationalism than it is in German whatevs
You likely have more to gain in your perspective of the American context simply reading old AmRen articles or what the RW in the US was post 1950 than you would learning about esoteric Himmler stuff
even for Euros, it's difficult to throw around allusions to NatSoc stuff when for many of them they have their own RW to draw inspiration from lol
and I'm not talking the little German vassal states of WW2 or esoteric stuff
I'd trade those people for a German ww2 victory any day.
Also you have to take into account what was actually achievable, most of it was very idealistic.
Well that's what I said it's likely just Himmler's idealistic stuff lol
Also i've seen some people contest generalplan ost's authenticity especially the wiki version, anyways idk a lot about that.
Given there was an Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian SS (dunno how many of them were Baltic Germans tbh) a lot of the plans wouldn't have likely happened
I could see germanic culture forced onto them but not extermination.
nah I getcha, I'm just saying whether they planned it or not it doesn't matter, Himmler's pro-German racial concepts don't matter to me lol, it's just idealisms of the time I cannot really discuss pragmatically for my context
just as musing about Italian futurism or that sort of stuff is just up in the air aesthetic talk
yeah it's just (based) historical autism