Message from @Dentistry

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2018-10-13 00:14:16 UTC  

@BWMiller i'm on the bit about the fermi paradox and this guy only has two exlanations for "human limitations" and I'm assuming he's just choosing to ignore the hilariously obvious one "we can't see the aliens because we don't have any devices capable of detecting them yet"

2018-10-13 00:14:34 UTC  

ufologists btfo

2018-10-13 00:14:41 UTC  

Nah he gets to that

2018-10-13 00:14:47 UTC  

Game theory

2018-10-13 00:15:26 UTC  

what does game theory have to say about the inverse square law and interstellar distances

2018-10-13 00:17:13 UTC  

That's more of the theoretical engineering. He crunches the numbers on how far aliens would get from their starting point if they tried. Game theory suggests that even if they didn't have an insatiable appetite for resources they would still spread out to prevent another possible species who might have an insatiable appetite for species from getting there first

2018-10-13 00:17:43 UTC  

Zoo hypothesis is one suggested answer

2018-10-13 00:17:54 UTC  

But it's not that we can't spot them. It's that they're hiding

2018-10-13 00:18:14 UTC  

wtf

2018-10-13 00:18:39 UTC  

?

2018-10-13 00:19:58 UTC  

@BWMiller you're not understanding me. We only barely observed the fact that Proxima Centauri, our closest stellar neighbor even has planets. How can we even possibly detect an alien satellite around their planet?

2018-10-13 00:20:07 UTC  

much less a star further away

2018-10-13 00:20:25 UTC  

Dyson speres would be noticable

2018-10-13 00:20:30 UTC  

not really

2018-10-13 00:20:32 UTC  

Spheres*

2018-10-13 00:20:36 UTC  

maybe on really close stars

2018-10-13 00:20:43 UTC  

Spreading blackness

2018-10-13 00:20:51 UTC  

Also they would be here by now

2018-10-13 00:20:53 UTC  

spreading on a thousand year time scale

2018-10-13 00:21:05 UTC  

no they wouldn't you're discounting how vast our galaxy is

2018-10-13 00:21:14 UTC  

ftl is impossible

2018-10-13 00:21:28 UTC  

No your discounting how low we've been around. You're missing the entire point of the video

2018-10-13 00:21:41 UTC  

The universe is like 12-14 byo

2018-10-13 00:21:42 UTC  

we've only been observing planets for the last decade dude

2018-10-13 00:21:53 UTC  

Earth has been around for 4 by

2018-10-13 00:21:54 UTC  

we haven't been observing stars for the last 12-14byo years

2018-10-13 00:22:07 UTC  

Yes but they've had that entire time to spread out

2018-10-13 00:22:18 UTC  

and they probably haven't gotten here yet

2018-10-13 00:22:22 UTC  

because of the vastness

2018-10-13 00:22:23 UTC  

Planets have been around for billions of years

2018-10-13 00:22:37 UTC  

Even light speed isn't an impediment on that time scale

2018-10-13 00:23:18 UTC  

look that's true, but the stars that formed in the early galaxy are different from the ones that formed in the one we have now

2018-10-13 00:23:39 UTC  

it probably took billions of years for habitable planets to form

2018-10-13 00:24:05 UTC  

Yes but earth like planets have been around for billions of years

2018-10-13 00:24:25 UTC  

there could be a hilariously vast stellar system all around us and we just can't see them because we literally have no means of seeing them past like proxima centauri

2018-10-13 00:24:47 UTC  

they could have a billion space ships in proxima centauri and we wouldn't be able to observe them

2018-10-13 00:25:40 UTC  

But they would be here by now. In the video he says how many galaxies would have to be devoid of life for them not to be here by now

2018-10-13 00:26:37 UTC  

they could have checked up on us a billion years ago and found no traces of life

2018-10-13 00:27:02 UTC  

and then went on not to care forever

2018-10-13 00:27:26 UTC  

maybe they found that the kali yuga we live in is just the facade and tunneled to a different universe

2018-10-13 00:27:57 UTC  

but this doesn't change the fact that the galaxy is hideously vast