Anyway, like I said I dont agree with all the stuff he says, but I think it is undeniable that christianity has done an immense harm to scientific progress in the years 0-1500 AD, would you agree?

I certainly would agree, but it doesn't take away from the fact that christianity has also served as the structural latice for most of western civilization.

no, he is misatributing and creating links that don't exist. almost completely ignoring non-religious history in europe. he did hit the nail on the head with the printing press and how it allowed the spread of knowledge.

Which is what most of these youtube athiests conveniently gloss over.

he also blatantly lied constantly about "muh absolutely no scientific progress for 1500 years" meme

The underlying metaphysics for most of the weestern world is implicitly derived from a christian worldview.

He obviously didn't mean that there was NO scientific progress.

why did he say that multiple times then?

was he overexagerating that just like everything else he said?

But the foundations of most of our legal system for example come from Roman and Greek civilizations.

That said, christianity has done great harm in the past, especially to scientific pursuits.

I said metaphysics, not laws.

I am not saying that christianity is all bad, I'm just saying there are better alternatives

I was talking to @Belisarius

I'm not sure there are.

i hope it does not appear as though i am arguing for how great christianity is. i'm only talking about this video and how wrong this idiot is.

this video is inflammatory cancer

So is 90% of youtube.

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I dont want to talk about the guy or the video, just about the notion that christianity, especially in contact with governement, can cause tremendous harm.

> can

anything can cause tremendous harm

You are pulling a piece of shit out of a pile of shit and saying 'look how shitty this one piece of shit is".

WILL

is it the idea, or the people

?

What do you mean?

is it impossible for a society run by christians to be succesful and progressive?

No. Not at all.

Not impossible, but inprobable

Unless they are orthodox.

but you said "WILL" @P14

Then it becomes very difficult.

Yes, most of the time

I dont want to play a word game

i think it is important for people to be clear, otherwise others will take it the wrong way

Yes, but I was not unclear, I just used coloquial language

Anyways, this shouldnt be the topic

i am confident that modern day christians who are not autistic are perfectly normal and uncorrupted human beings with flaws and good parts just like everyone else.

What do you think about the stat that shows that there are more atheists in science than theists?

This is something I have spent a great deal of time on, I've come to the conclusion that the supernatural elements of religion are really the embodiment of ideals, and can be recognized as such. The traditions and ethic that comes from christianity in particular are undeniably useful to a society, and there's nothing wrong with using the scientific method to identify that which makes society prosper, and adopting them. Regardless of the superstitions and nonsense at the core.