Message from @Polak
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Pls no bully
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Pls no bully
Oh I don't mind myself, I would have ignored you long ago if that was the case.
Just as a general rule though.
Where do those virtues come from if not from God? Yes, the values are still useful for nonbelievers - but would not understanding the metaphysics inform your understanding of the virtues?
Metaphysics are the basis of understanding values, my metaphysics are that god exists and nerd atheists burn in hell tho dude so
How is there virtue or goodness without God?
Can you prove morality without invoking divinity?
^can agree with those values
Altruism is inherently not found in humans unless you are A. White or B. Religious
Or hindu
Stfu 1 testicaled Poo
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Poo in Loo?
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Note that we're not invoking the Divine Command Theory - God does not simply desire goodness, He IS goodness. It's like if water did not wet the skin but merely encouraged dampness - this is ludicrous. We say God loves goodness or asks for goodness because it is in His nature. It's not just a personality trait. He isn't some divine Sherlock Holmes, as you framed it.
*damp*
@kalki I like the altruism point, i know Ayn Rand brought it up, but I learn towards the fact that we are all selfish and everything we do is for selfish reason. now I dont think this justifies everyoen doing whatever the fuck they want but rather that we can still contribute to a community and out people but we do it for selfish reason. What do you guys think?
I think we need to live under Nazi rule in a white ethnostate but we can all dream
So you believe there is no such thing as free will?
agreed
I do believe we have free will, we have it as a test to see if we fall into degeneracy or strive for greateness
Then we are not perfectly selfish.
We have at least some freedom to choose.
Selfishness is a general economic model because it predicts human behavior well.
Most people will never be greater than animals.
Marcus Aurelius and Edward Bernays both speak on this
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If we choose degeneracy -> we do so to satiate our base desires but if we choose to strive above degereracy -> we choose to do so to better ourselves so that we can help our people
@Rin I'm heading to your fams house right now so we can continue this discussion, do you like baklava?
Interested in the topic what reading material do you suggest on this topic @MKUltra
Propaganda by Edward Bernays
its the only reason I am roomates with a greek so I have all the baclava i want
You fellas have a good evening.
We are reading it in the book club of our server.
BACLAVA