Next time, before you put it in the pan, knead it in such a way that the folds are on the underside and the top has a sort of smooth skin on it. Like an elongated pizza dough before rolling. It will be much more aestetically pleasing as an end product and will give you the familiar "bread form factor".

ok

The trick to the whole process in understanding how gluten forms and behaves. If you do a little research on that specific point, it wil give much better insight into what's really going on, and as a result, more control over the end result.

mhm

duly noted

thanks for the info

What would you guys reccommend I grow first to learn the basics of gardening? My parents grow a few vegetables, but I wanted to start a small garden in my home (preferablly a small indoor one).

Depending your climate, tomatos generally are pretty forgiving.

I have a pretty good sized garden, melons, tomato, cucumber, beets, carrots, peppers, etc... Most of it isn't very tempermental. The melons are especially "aggressive" growers.

How are the carrots growing? I would be interested in growing those

Some of the peppers I've not had luck with. And birds can be an issue.

They taste great, but don't look anything like what you see in the store.

Much more imperfect. I think it's cool myself.

A little variety seemse like it would be nice

@Polak It really depends on your growing zone and annual rain amount.

I have 8 chickens too, they are suprisingly easy to care for and they function as pest control and a garbage disposal.

Indeed, highly climate dependant. I happen to live in a good area for it.

We get ~50in of rain here. I have a decently sized yard, but currently renting. So i would need to do it inside or build something in the backyard

A greenhouse is actually fairly simple to construct.

Not much to it at all.

@Polak I live in Wisconsin. This means that some vegtables like watermelon and sweet potatoes are off the table.

Sometimes mine get so much water they burst.

They are so prolific though, it hardly matters.

@Rin if you don't care about it lasting more than a few years you can make a greenhouse from $50 worth of pvc and painter's plastic.

Yeah, I've seen small ones made with PVC.

I'll look into making one, will only be here for two years so dont mind it if doesnt last much longer than that

That corrugated fiberglass stuff is not really expensive anyway.

I like the pvc ones because they are super easy to move and cheap to make.

Yeah.

I had one with really thick plastic over a plastic tube frame, I got it for starters until they were big enough to plant.

Was maybe 6' tall and 5' wide.

It lasted until the first good storm.

I weighted it down with bricks, but then the wind just shredded it.

if you're willing to buy 8 or 9mm plastic it should last a few years.

But this was a small shitty one, you could build something way better.

With real PVC.

And something more substantial for the walls.

No duh. The real problem is that the larger diameter pvc doesn't bend well. I suppose you could use pex tubing instead.

If you used the thicker walled PVC it would probably be fine here, the plastic that one was made of was junk.

any idea what thickness it was? I'd guess 3 or 4mm.

It's the walls that are tricky because most materials strong enough to withstand a good storm don't let enough light through.