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So I think the prots and orthos go to hell
Unless the Ortho lives in siberia and has never heard of the church
Hmm, what are your reasons as to why?
I'm considering converting to Catholicism
Its pretty simple
Christ King made 1 Church
Not 2 not 3
The 1 Church he made is the Catholic Church, every other denomination broke off from it either directly or indirectly
So how could i possibly reach heaven if i am following a church NOT made by Christ?
The perspective I've always seen this question from is that if you pray to Christ, submit yourself to him, repent of your sins and ask forgiveness, that you are saved
Like for instance the criminal on the cross next to Christ, who recognized him as Lord and was granted heaven.
You may be right, but I'm just not convinced that devout men who were raised in a Protestant household who dedicate themselves to Christ won't receive heaven. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, He confessed his sins right before Christ on earth
So naturally he was saved, He confessed his sins to the First Priest, Christ King
However, if i am a protestant and choose to ignore the church made my Christ Himself and follow christ my OWN way why the fuck would i deserve salvation
I imagine that most non-Catholic Christians don't see it that way.
It doesnt matter how they see it
What matters is the Truth
I disagree with Protestantism on principle, but do you really think that Christians raised in ignorance of the truth of the Catholic Church's authority but follow Christ's teachings are damned?
If they are 100% ignorant then they will be saved so long they are baptized
But if they KNOW of the Catholoc church
@Simon Sasquatch Also if you plan to convert I suggest you go to a church that has Latin mass
@Deleted User I attended a SSPX Latin mass last week, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Ah Nice
I attend SSPX aswell
I love it
Can you see my sceptism about the idea that only those who are part of the Catholic church are saved?
The modernist Catholic church doesn't practice the real mass, the post Vactican II Popes are invalid according to the traditional Catechism, and most attendees of the Norvus Ordo mass don't practice any parts of the religion. Do you think that Norvus Ordo Catholics will be saved?
@Simon Sasquatch I believe that Most Novus Ordites as they are modernist heretics will not be saved, HOWEVER although i hate that mass, some {few} novus ordo masses are decent
So I think that salvation can be found in Novus Ordo but not many will be saved by it
As you said its a terrible mass filled with heretics and heresu
That's the trouble with the idea that only Catholics will be saved, for me. The modern Catholic Church is in rebelion against God in favor of the World. If we agree that the authority of the Pope and high clergy of the modern Catholic church is not valid becuase they effectivly created a new religion with Vactican II, then wouldn't that mean that you'd have to break away from the Catholic Church to some extent to truely follow the true Catholic faith?
no
breaking away will send you to hell
The SSPX view the Pope as legitimate
And they are in partial communion and will be in FULL communion soon
We just need to understand that right now The Mother Church is going through a HARD time
But I trust in Christ King that in time these problems will be solved
And progress is being made
Allmost every NEW seminarians are Traditionalists
The next wave of Priests will fix the Church IMO
IDK man, you may be right. I don't see how the modernist popes can be legit, but you're obviously more knowlegable on this topic than me, I'll concede that.