As opposed to something like an AR-15 “lol just CNC it”

Not really worth discussing imaginary weapons.

From Discover on Google https://armyrecognition.com/march_2019_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/german_army_to_modernize_leopard_2_a6_purchase_pzh_2000_155mm_ammunition.html

Obviously the way to go forward.

I'm kinda surprised they're bothering.

It's not like anybody is doing anything other than kicking the middle east into the curb.

they know that if they do not start to do their part of the NATO deal as Trump have been clear that nations that refuses to step up gets sent down shit creek without a paddle

No... Europe wants to become independent of the USA long term. They do not want to stay a vassal of the Muricans because they have too many colliding interests.

Seeing this through the lens of Trump's rhetoric is missing the global picture ENTIERLY

Plus a EU army would help to consolidate the Union

Not just in the "forceful" way, but also in terms of security - eastern members would feel WAY safer with an EU army then without it.

EU knows that an EU army cant be done without UK. and rest of EU nations are a joke when it comes to the military.

EU army can most certainly B done without the UK

the combined GDP of the EU is bigger then that of the US

and they have an army...

when you have to use broom sticks to train with as you dont have rifles your military is a joke

this is rather immaterial

point is that they have the economies to create the army

not tomorrow

but in 25 years time? sure

no problem

https://www.thelocal.de/20180502/german-luftwaffe-only-has-four-operation-ready-eurofighter-jets-report

ye, and that invalidates my point how?

Plus Germany!=France

that unless they start to spend ALOT of money they dont have military

Do you remember how weak the US military was at the beginning of WWII?

The industrial base is what matters

and these countries have it

The French military is actually rather competent (in overseas expeditions because that is what that army is designed to do)

so it's not like there is a lack of trained personnel continent-wide

Germany economy are coming to a stand still, France is in flames, Spain was just bailed out so to stop the euro to crack. italy is being Italy. EU do not have the money to build up an army from scrach

ye, you keep on thinking that

the EU is gonna EXPLODE without the UK lmao

> thinking Europe has any hope for a future without removing all Muslims by force

oof, lad

>Thinking I think that

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where are the EU going to find all the money the UK are contributing to the EU. It going to end up on more taxes on the rest of the nations.

Nah

they're just gonna cut structural funds

somewhat less infrastructure development in Polakistan

The Polakistanis are gonna whine