Message from @Erwin Rommel
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Should and shouldn't have, irrelevant concepts when the initial meaning of the treaty was the make Britain not declare war over Poland
for one, the nazis were ok with soviet union invading finland
and treaty or no treaty, the USSR and the Third Reich would've invaded each other anyway
oh i do believe international diplomacy is a very relevant concept
It really isn't when the warlords behind them have plans for the future
it's a stupid move to throw that to the bin so soon after the great war
Yeah? Tell that to Britain
those future plans involve other countries believing what the german diplomats say?
They're the ones who declared war and refused all peace offers
German diplomats just followed whatever Hitler told them to follow
so it's britain's fault? what exactly is, i'd like you to clarify too
At the end of the day it was his rashness and grand schemes that forced the war with the USSR
There is no "it"
It's many "it"s
i wouldn't say forced, he was mentally unstable and he had soft shits like himmler talking in his ear
For one, Britain could've very well avoided a war with Germany as could Poland had either of them accepted the German proposals for a referendum, a shared corridor etc. Even the BBC reported on this in August of 1939
the soviet union was completely unprepared for a german invasion
But it was completely prepared for an invasion of its own
Why do you think all of its airfields were right at the border
why do you think none of their defenses were?
and none of their materiel at all
well, that must have been before they signed a non-aggression pact
Because the way offensive and defensive armies are composed are radically different
i feel this convo is circular
Well it wasn't, actually
sure, but they are composed with materiel
Soviet buildup not only continued but intensified after the pact just as intended
Pact or no pact, the buildup was a fact
when there's not one military force until leningrad. i do believe they weren't on the cusp of an invasion.
Yeah, and tons of it were right at the border
oh it was now?
That's why the Germans were able to destroy thousands of planes and light tanks even before the summer of 1941 was over
it's quite a bit bigger country
Um, yes they had a plan, but the British Air Force (Bulstered by the American supplies) kept them from air superiority. Which the Army needed to launch an invasion
We aren't talking about the Battle of Britain
but Operation Barbarossa
The Luftwaffe had complete air superiority over the Soviet Union until mid to late 1942
i'm probably done talking
I was commenting to the original, Hitler was a moron. His command yes men.
Eh well