Message from @DOSagain
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and who wants him at the moment. Good or bad?
russia might take him :^)
yeah uh
that's not ok
@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 it's saying it's a quagmire everyone wishes was over already
i don't see a problem
@galesteppesnice
Interesting perspective
To use the expression "Vietnam" is to see a situation or conflict as a unwinnable slog, where no matter how much effort or resources you pour in you never seem to get the upper hand. Don't see why it should cause *offense* since it's very widely used
@Tero yes I agree
are you american?
no
sheiit
can an american chime in then lol
A huge problem of a Vietnam scenario is you have politicians that refuse to do what the situation demands so they kick the can down the road in hope that someone else cleans up after them while the mess becomes worse by the day
@Nordhand That sounds more like an Iraq/Afghanistan scenario
It fits everywhere you have politicians that think party before everything else
Basically its both
what needed to be done in vietnam but people refused?
Vietnam became a shit show because communist influence in media. It caused the American support to be lost. In turn showing all enemies the key weakness in the US war machine.
Even on a military scale it wouldn't have been won.
Not to mention the geopolitics
Debatable. The military scale was slowly lost over time as public support wained.
The fact out "allies" didnt really commit either.
But they were cutting war budget with the decrease in public support almost on par in speed.
Can't win a war when the people in charge do not want to fight the war they did start
Vietnam was lost in DC first and years later in Vietnam
The public support greatly influenced the war, undoubtable. However the public only got so disgusted after the conflict had gotten so dirty because the US started committing atrocities because they weren't making any gains
And the shit part. The communist control of the media in this was so great, the Vietnam vets were the first vets actively disposed upon return.
Dispised
well
I wouldn't go as far as calling it communist control, not to forget that the whole casus belli of the war was a forgery too
firebombing civilian kids prolly didn't help their case :^)
Communist countries by that point had bought much of the media off. Something the USSR was well known for having done.
You have the famous picture of the Vietnam prisoner that was executed. It did have a huge impact on the war efforts. But in truth the person that was executed was a horrible monster that did murde and rape the kids of South Vietnam officers