You don't 'help' someone by capitulating their mental delusions

Want me to give you some facts that meet you half way?

FFS (facial reconstruction surgery) does not decrease dysphoria

Not really. I've most likely already seen them

It's a known fact

Hormone therapy does, as does genital surgery

You think this is the first time I've had this discussion?

>reconstruction
i think you mean destruction <:pepe_sad:560202541904953365>

So be it, I hate the idea too, but it works

@Fitzydog If you aren't gonna have the discussion in good faith then don't have one. You did not discuss it with these people.

Thank you

Not trying to be a dick

🤷 Trannies need to be in mental hospitals, not on stage stripping

@Patty is there a single one of those 52 that is a controlled clinical study

https://youtu.be/tFE_ouCRkwk

Ill look through the 52 since i linked them

And if evidence comes out of the contrary, I will more than happily change my mind

Show me the studies where UNBIASED sociologists have followed transgenders from young adulthood to death of old age, and looked at their suicide rate, quality of life, and more.

The concern is largely, what happens long term?

(Or, just show me an unbiased sociologist)

also, the pimozide was not a controlled clinical study

just for the record

@SockYes, I've been clear about this several times. You're missing the point of why I showed you that

We've never done hormone therapy of this magnitude before, so who knows what the unforseen ramifications might be?

There isn't one for or against yet that I am aware of, I don't know all the facts, neither do you.
I'd still like to hear an alternative treatment to appease gender dysphoria, it is in it's infancy. May be catastrophic, may be the best way forward.

But we do the best with what we have

`I'd still like to hear an alternative treatment to appease gender dysphoria`
just therapy idk

That only works for people that are questioning

Explain rapid onset gender dysphoria, and how a majority of youth at a trans clinic in the UK were actually autistic girls. @Patty

yeah im not saying it to you, its okay i know you know, im just telling Tero in case he was defaulting to the pimozide study if any of the 52 werent controled clinical studies

Autism and transgenderism have a major overlap. I have asperger's myself

@Sock why would i do that smh

......

lol

You don't think it might just be THE GOD DAMNED AUTISM THEN?

Lol

mental illness is often comorbid @Fitzydog

The concern is whether or not the girls understood what was going on.

There is no causal link

oh ffs

@Fitzydog It is well documented that autism comes with other problems.