There was _nothing_ to suggest it would work

Could it be? Highly unlikely but possible

Then explain to me why the case I showed you, is the MOST RECENT one done

Because nobody wants to throw extremely strong actually brain damaging medications at their patients

When there is 0 evidence

for it helping

Oh, so instead we throw that at a surgeon and toss in some horomone pills that we have no idea how they'll effect them 10 years down the road?

We do!

It helps

No, it does not

Suicide rates are the exact same

And I don't consider this a treatment whatsoever

The opposite

Its disgusting

You don't 'help' someone by capitulating their mental delusions

Want me to give you some facts that meet you half way?

FFS (facial reconstruction surgery) does not decrease dysphoria

Not really. I've most likely already seen them

It's a known fact

Hormone therapy does, as does genital surgery

You think this is the first time I've had this discussion?

>reconstruction
i think you mean destruction <:pepe_sad:560202541904953365>

So be it, I hate the idea too, but it works

@Fitzydog If you aren't gonna have the discussion in good faith then don't have one. You did not discuss it with these people.

Thank you

Not trying to be a dick

🤷 Trannies need to be in mental hospitals, not on stage stripping

@Patty is there a single one of those 52 that is a controlled clinical study

https://youtu.be/tFE_ouCRkwk

Ill look through the 52 since i linked them

And if evidence comes out of the contrary, I will more than happily change my mind

Show me the studies where UNBIASED sociologists have followed transgenders from young adulthood to death of old age, and looked at their suicide rate, quality of life, and more.

The concern is largely, what happens long term?

(Or, just show me an unbiased sociologist)

also, the pimozide was not a controlled clinical study

just for the record

@SockYes, I've been clear about this several times. You're missing the point of why I showed you that

We've never done hormone therapy of this magnitude before, so who knows what the unforseen ramifications might be?

There isn't one for or against yet that I am aware of, I don't know all the facts, neither do you.
I'd still like to hear an alternative treatment to appease gender dysphoria, it is in it's infancy. May be catastrophic, may be the best way forward.

But we do the best with what we have

`I'd still like to hear an alternative treatment to appease gender dysphoria`
just therapy idk