@galesteppes I see the importance of religion. In fact right now we're seeing the results of rampant hedonism without moral guidance.

but all of europe and etc. were built by quite religious men

I do

But there's also a problem of dogmatic absolutism.

I believe it would have been developed more quickly if most of the alchemists weren't executed.

isaac newton himself

was an alchemist

Big if true

and very religious

wanna exclude him?

Newton was legendary.

Their religion betrayed them.

At least the org

I don't care about individual religious people

Copernicus.

I don't like institutions and preachers that build up power

It took until what... recently for the Catholic church to forgive him for being scientifically right?

Basically

Catholic Church has who knows how many holy documents it is keeping from all of Christendom, that they themselves don't even know the extent of it.

Religion becomes too powerful unopposed.

Did the Catholic Church ever apologize for the treatment of Galileo?

Some priests have but only Pope can speak for the church

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/after-500-years-copernicus-is-forgiven/

Took a lot longer to forgive Copernicus though.

Pope John Paul ii is most based Pope.

@galesteppes idk dude. That's complicated AF.

I mean.... when you conceive a child you're doing so under the assumption that it will be healthy and self sustaining eventually.

So.... maybe you can have an abortion on the grounds of breakage of contract?

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Mmmmm good ole eugenics

Imagine trying to argue that people with mental illnesses aren't people. Guess what, lots of otherwise normal people have mental illnesses. Which mental illnesses are you ruling out and why? Have you ever met any of these people yourself?

I think there's a duty to the society to let such people have a chance to live to their best ability.

Just as anyone else.

Mainly Down's syndrome and similar is what I mean

But given their mental illnesses have a duty to support them to live comfortably should it be impossible for them for whatever reason.

Downies can be cool as fuck dog.

Who has that duty?

Society as a whole.

Oh, you missed a word

In the same way that if we decide a person needs to be removed from society to serve in prison they need to support that person humanely until such time they are released.

That's like.... your opinion man

Ok fine, have fun with no prisons or only execution for criminals that don't get way with just a fine.