There was still a wish to become a functioning nation, and nationalism

Try that in Afghanistan lmao

I'm not really sure you can call Japan functional pre US WW2 involvement

Well not in any way that would be good for people at least

I bet you more than half the population of Afghanistan couldn't even tell you the name of their country

They functioned well enough to blow us the fuck up and take over China.

To say Japan wasn't functioning is retard level analysis

They just weren't to YOUR expectations

@EnderOctanus Right because nanking is what a functioning nation looks like. They clearly WORKED if you changed what WORKS means. And if the definition of WORKING is subjective then how do you say any nation isnt working.

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I dunno.

@Fitzydog is the one who is super into this topic lol

I look at other nations and generally just don't give a fuck, I see potential enemies.

In what world do you live that 'functioning' and 'working' are not synonyms?

Im just saying like hell they couldnt account for trillions. Im just saying either dont take it from me or spend it accountably

Im saying that functioning means that its fulfilling its function. But if its functioning and melting peoples arms off with boiling water at the same time, then its whole function is fucked up. I agree we give money to corrupt politicians and expecting anything less than corruption is taking a naive moral high ground

By your definition, no govt has ever been 'functioning'

They're all corrupt, and always have been

And by your logic we shouldnt even bother

Because that will make things better

That's what I've been saying

Don't bother nation building

Okay fine I agree

BUT

Really dont try

We are too wishy washy

Thats all im saying

Pick one or the other

Yeah, that's democracy

Democracies have no conviction

Dont invade and then leave a power vaccum

A democratic govt will always be wishy washy, because the most important thing is the optics for their next election

Either see it through until its stable again and thats like decades of some form of military presence, or leave shit be and only step in under well defined preset conditions which is difficult to do because conditions change unimaginably

Or, don't step in.

Unless it's Canada

Okay I agree but there is legit a point where not stepping in is worse than stepping in

No there's not

Like if we do nothing at all someone will just nuke us

Because we cant do anything

Cause we wont step in

Until theyve done it

If we're not stepping in, why would someone nuke us?