@Ondsinet By its very nature, treating people different based on GROUP (which is what you just said) is bad

If you're deciding ahead of time, you're already fucking up

I'm arguing for the dynamic justice system we already have

Yah context matters, kind of like murder and self defense

You can kill in self defense but it’s not murder

And I'm arguing that it is NOT equal, and you do NOT want equality in that sense.

Not equality of outcome

That’s what I said earlier

Context is important

Stone cold justice distributed from a machine might as well be dystopian

That’s why I said we have judges for a reason^

Hey, now you're getting it

But this isn't equality. This is just 'fair justice'

I said it around 3:07, it’s just we are speaking different languages but I don’t think we disagree fundamentally

I don't think you know the history and intellectual endpoint of the words you're using

What you get is rich politicians and actors can get away with the worse crimes while Normal people get decades in prison for owning weed

I understand them which is why I refer to the left owning them

@SomeUser27 You're using the wrong language my good sir

They have influence in Marxist ideas

I’m well aware

I wouldn't be arguing with you, if I didn't see you don't understand a lot of this

I hate Marxism though

It’s the witch doctor of ideology

It sees a problem and saws off your arm

That... doesn't even begin to make sense or be close to accurate

Well think about it this way, Marxism came about during or after the gilded age when there was actual problems for workers. And Marxism saw a issue and just make a authoritarian and massively idiotic system that ignored the human condition, that being said it’s not really relevant as capitalism has solved many of the issues

Marxism is the dietologist<:pepe_smug:560207654207750154>

Focusing on Marx is like focusing on the fact the Nazis had guns

@Fitzydog `By its very nature, treating people different based on GROUP (which is what you just said) is bad
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that's untrue though

Not really, we have to address the issues (not the equity or equality of outcome). Like during the gilded age you were fucked if you were hurt as a worker and workers were abused if they had unions.

@Tero Well, okay.

But capitalism ironed it out over time

like, if you're an anti terrorism man looking for bombs at airport
you would be wasting your time if you checked 70 year old jewish women

vs 25 year old arabic men

@SomeUser27 The very people you call 'Marxists' don't even follow that ideology anymore.

Hell, the main intellectual heavyweight of the Left debated Jordan Peterson about Marxism, and they *agreed* on quite a bit

Well at the end of the day it’s kind of like labels in general, people interpret things differently and misuse labels. I’m used to arguing with my professors for example so I usually use their language and I’ve been exposed to it as I’ve had a certain amount of distain for collectivists or equality of outcome

It’s kind of like how you have “liberals” who don’t believe in liberal values

@Fitzydog go to sleep faggot

@SomeUser27 You'd probably be better off learning this from YouTube than professors at this point

Youtube is my learning platform tbh, I don’t even watch TV anymore

And I argue with my professors because I disagree with them a lot especially the English department