@Fitzydog yeah I mean, the state should treat everyone the same but you can't stomp corruption

@SomeUser27 I find it to be unjust, and unfair, to treat everyone at the same standard.

People are not cookie cutters

Define the same standard?

Like I think you mean something different from me

I just gave an example, and now I'm arguing against two people

@Fitzydog but my point always stands, who gets to decide who you treat differently?

Oh I'm not arguing yet I'm trying to understand your position sorry

Same here,

@Ondsinet By its very nature, treating people different based on GROUP (which is what you just said) is bad

If you're deciding ahead of time, you're already fucking up

I'm arguing for the dynamic justice system we already have

Yah context matters, kind of like murder and self defense

You can kill in self defense but it’s not murder

And I'm arguing that it is NOT equal, and you do NOT want equality in that sense.

Not equality of outcome

That’s what I said earlier

Context is important

Stone cold justice distributed from a machine might as well be dystopian

That’s why I said we have judges for a reason^

Hey, now you're getting it

But this isn't equality. This is just 'fair justice'

I said it around 3:07, it’s just we are speaking different languages but I don’t think we disagree fundamentally

I don't think you know the history and intellectual endpoint of the words you're using

What you get is rich politicians and actors can get away with the worse crimes while Normal people get decades in prison for owning weed

I understand them which is why I refer to the left owning them

@SomeUser27 You're using the wrong language my good sir

They have influence in Marxist ideas

I’m well aware

I wouldn't be arguing with you, if I didn't see you don't understand a lot of this

I hate Marxism though

It’s the witch doctor of ideology

It sees a problem and saws off your arm

That... doesn't even begin to make sense or be close to accurate

Well think about it this way, Marxism came about during or after the gilded age when there was actual problems for workers. And Marxism saw a issue and just make a authoritarian and massively idiotic system that ignored the human condition, that being said it’s not really relevant as capitalism has solved many of the issues

Marxism is the dietologist<:pepe_smug:560207654207750154>

Focusing on Marx is like focusing on the fact the Nazis had guns

@Fitzydog `By its very nature, treating people different based on GROUP (which is what you just said) is bad
`
that's untrue though

Not really, we have to address the issues (not the equity or equality of outcome). Like during the gilded age you were fucked if you were hurt as a worker and workers were abused if they had unions.

@Tero Well, okay.

But capitalism ironed it out over time

like, if you're an anti terrorism man looking for bombs at airport
you would be wasting your time if you checked 70 year old jewish women