Message from @StevenStevens

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2019-07-13 23:30:14 UTC  

Anarcho Communism on paper is perhaps the closest thing to freedom

2019-07-13 23:30:19 UTC  

however unattainable

2019-07-13 23:30:21 UTC  

Freedom (in the way I assume we are talking about) doesn't mean being free from want or need, just free from the coercion and power of others. And yes it in its perfect form is unattainable

2019-07-13 23:30:37 UTC  

Anarcho Communism is way more free than anarcho capitalism for example

2019-07-13 23:30:42 UTC  

indeed

2019-07-13 23:31:23 UTC  

the market oppresses and forces people into actions not desirable, it's literally a loaded gun forcing people to be slaves while their bosses steal all their labour

2019-07-13 23:31:34 UTC  

The closest thing to freedom would be going out in the wild with no one else around and with no one else knowing nor caring about you

2019-07-13 23:31:40 UTC  

The yeah, we don't have anywhere close to the same definition of freedom

2019-07-13 23:32:11 UTC  

@-5K- a state of nature

2019-07-13 23:32:20 UTC  

One cannot be free while individuals profit from others work

2019-07-13 23:32:39 UTC  

I can't be free unless I have the ability to pay people for their work

2019-07-13 23:33:04 UTC  

Pay? Why'd you need to pay someone when there is no market?

2019-07-13 23:33:07 UTC  

You can still be free with others profiting off of your work if you voluntarily consent for them to do that

2019-07-13 23:33:32 UTC  

@-5K- You're arguing against a phantom brick wall lol

2019-07-13 23:34:25 UTC  

@Fitzydog An ideal government would be something close to the Paris commune

2019-07-13 23:35:00 UTC  

An ideal govt is one in which I have a giant wall around my town and I get to hang commies from crosses out front

2019-07-13 23:35:33 UTC  

The wall was only there because liberals don't like freedom of association

2019-07-13 23:35:49 UTC  

That makes zero sense but OK retard

2019-07-13 23:35:55 UTC  

I wish i was in the national guard

2019-07-13 23:35:58 UTC  

defending the commune

2019-07-13 23:36:03 UTC  

trully free

2019-07-13 23:36:14 UTC  

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2019-07-13 23:37:01 UTC  

You truly have no positions of your own, just a hodgepodge of memes in your low IQ head of yours, don't you?

2019-07-13 23:37:48 UTC  

As i said maximization of freedom

2019-07-13 23:37:58 UTC  

Liberation of all people

2019-07-13 23:38:03 UTC  

Abolishing the market

2019-07-13 23:38:08 UTC  

Abolishing land lords

2019-07-13 23:38:08 UTC  

You couldn't even define liberty

2019-07-13 23:38:11 UTC  

So you want a wall around your town, and yet you believe in freedom of association?

2019-07-13 23:38:13 UTC  

ok retard

2019-07-13 23:39:40 UTC  

Yeah, towns have rules, and if you want to live in the town, then you can associate with undesirable visitors OUTSIDE the walls.

How does this not make sense?

It's just a bigger house. You don't let your roommate/tenant stay up until 2am on a Tuesday partying, do you?

2019-07-13 23:40:08 UTC  

Sooo, people outside the town that want to associate with you guys can go fuck themselves then?

2019-07-13 23:40:23 UTC  

so much for freedom of association

2019-07-13 23:40:29 UTC  

Idk, what are the rules?

2019-07-13 23:40:29 UTC  

I guess it only counts if it's for you

2019-07-13 23:40:43 UTC  

Can I walk into your house?

2019-07-13 23:40:45 UTC  

I don't have to associate with you

2019-07-13 23:41:11 UTC  

YOu asked how your freedom interferes with another person's freedoms

2019-07-13 23:41:11 UTC  

so here's one example. Your freedom of association interferes with another person's freedom of association

2019-07-13 23:41:18 UTC  

what if I do (with you)

2019-07-13 23:41:29 UTC  

Then you get shot