you've already said that, and it's just not true, they're entirely apt comparisons

but you've come back to it now to contest it

one belief is that in spite of 95+% of reported cases being hoaxes, this specific one might be worth reading about or looking into

the other belief is that in spite of 100% of the time failing miserably, it might work next time

they're entirely equivalent almost

No, because the scale of what's talked about is completely different. A "hate crime" that's nothing more than putting up a poster that's if you don't look into it, weird, and if you do look into it, neutral at worst. You are comparing this to the belief that a complete and utter fucking retarded *failure* of an economic system that would, in order to succeed, rely on either a total population of robots or a complete reworking of the human mind.

The former, it's entirely possible for either direction, we'd need to see more evidence to know for sure.

The second, we have the evidence. It just won't *work.*

ye no shit the scale is different, I that doesn't change the fact that the argument is entirely apt and requires the same belief

I purposely chose an absurd scale for _effect_ to make a _point_

Okay, so do you want to apply this belief to anything else, then?

listen, I don't give a fuck about the argument, what I care about is that you presume my motive and say I use ad hominems

How about a majority of women getting not guilty for crimes throughout history? Does this mean that if a women is arrested for a crime, she probably didn't do it?

I've laid out my explanation, and you can agree with it or not

but you _can't_ presume to disprove my motivation

[10:07 PM] folk: one belief is that in spite of 95+% of reported cases being hoaxes, this specific one might be worth reading about or looking into
[10:08 PM] folk: the other belief is that in spite of 100% of the time failing miserably, it might work next time
[10:08 PM] folk: they're entirely equivalent almost

I used that for effect, to make a point, I don't see how that can be an ad hominem

you can take it as such if you want, but that's not what it is

And I'm saying I don't agree, and we're never going to convince each other of the other's position, so let's just agree to disagree and move on

the _position_ is irrelevant, again, like I said, for now, I only care that you presume my motives and call my argument an ad hominem

You know what? Fuck it, I'll give you this and change my argument so you finally shut up about this.

You didn't think it was an ad hominem, I just disagree entirely that it was a valid comparison to show absurdity.

Okay, does that work? Can we finally move on with our lives?

yes, of course

Okay, thank you.

"In one section of the Paris metro, drug dealing and abuse has gotten so bad that some train drivers are refusing to stop at stations. Following a bad year for accidents and assaults, the trade union that represents workers of Paris transit body RATP warned last week that the North Paris stations on Metro Line 12—notably Marx Dormoy, Porte de la Chappelle and Marcadet – Poissoniers—are now so overrun with people selling and smoking crack that drivers no longer feel safe dropping off or picking up passengers there."

"When it comes to public drug sale and use, something is still shifting, and conditions are getting worse. Last year, there were 850 service interruptions on Line 12, ..."

I wonder what the relative concentration of immigrants is in those areas compared to the rest of paris

On the matter of the posters thing, not going to argue validity at this point, I still don't know for sure,

there's been something new though, globalnews.ca decided to report on it

And unlike bunswickan, they're actually not so special that they'll hide half of the poster.

I'll admit that with that section boxed in red it does look a bit more like an SJW false flag near the bottom, I don't think the alt-right would allow themselves to ally with the natives, even if it were against muslims.

_the guardians_ numbers on france are worse than what wikipedia says, so it seems wikipedia is not a reliable source on islam/immigration in france

because the guardian would presumably lean towards the lowest numbers they could use

https://www.wired.com/story/free-speech-issue-reddit-change-my-view/

I thought wired was .. not fucked

but they are

"I had a view, and my view was this: Serial sexual abusers should submit to castration. Castration, I believed, would sideline the abuser’s compulsions and thus keep the world safe from him (or her lol)."