i don't think it's really that difficult to understand the motive behind giving the government power to fix some problem

obviously you want less of the problem

I don't think anyone let alone the government should have any power like that and besides it's not a problem if it's only affecting you as an individual. You chose to get addicted when you first tried it. Your fault enjoy the consequences.

well it is kind of a problem

if your neighbourhood is full of addicts i believe you're statistically far more likely to get shot over your wallet at night, and this is just the most obvious example

your kids in school will be surrounded by neglected and more than likely malnourished peers

assuming we're talking about drugs or alcohol here ofc

there's countless ways you're affected when the people in your community do shitty things that "only hurt themselves"

There's already laws against what you're saying

I said as long as it's only affecting you as an individual. If you're putting people at harm then it no longer the same thing.

well everything anyone does has difficult to predict consequences on the people around them

nothing "just affects you"

With that line of thinking you can argue the most retarded shit and arrest people because you think they might commit a crime.

The slippery slop isn't worth it at all.

And again whoever decides that will abuse the shit out of it.

well it just means you have to come up with another way of judging things besides whether they just affect you

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So you just acknowledged they do not in fact affect you. You just want to fuck people over because... You want to.

no

i'm saying that whether something affects you is a bad yard stick, because you could argue that anything affects you

so we should find another stick

No you can't argue that anything affects you

you can

That is false

libtards do this all the time, with like sexist depictions of so and so on the media or whatever therefore we need to censor such and such and this guy needs to lose his job

Yes they are clearly lying

we need google searches to show niggers because if we show whites when people search for inventors then black people will be discouraged and this hurts their chances of being successful

you can justify anything in this rubric

But again they argue in bad faith and deception.

ok but you have nothing within the rule of "does it affect me?" to counter bad faith claims of harm

Someone minding their own private business with other consenting adults does not affect me. That is objective reality.

I'm not at all following the libtard thing you brought up

i mean it's kind of like the supreme court's expansion of the interstate commerce clause to include activities occurring solely within one state, because, paraphrasing, the cumulative effects of commerce happening within a state influences interstate commerce

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I'm more lost. Again it's not rocket science. Consenting adults doing business selling drugs or fucking themselves in the ass in their own private property does not affect me in any way shape or form. If it can't harm me it's totally fine. They can commit suicide for all I care.

Putting toxins in your body, turning your brain into CUMbrain I couldn't give less of a shit

to give a concrete example, the federal government was trying to regulate wheat farmers during one of the wars. farmers said i only sell to local people, so you have no jurisdiction under the interstate commerce clause. feds said "well acshually, cumulatively, all the farmers each selling to people in their own states -does- affect the interstate market in wheat, therefore we have jurisdiction over you even if you're just minding your own business and selling to people in kentucky"

guess who won

The government?

ye

Okay yes I thought so.