should we implement that?

It'd be easy actually

Which is why land owners started off with the right to vote

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Let's have you serve a islamic caliphate

that's some duty right there

It's all about 'Skin in the Game'

Why vote to protect social security

That's based on several assumptions, one is that all people who "serve" are doing so out of benevolence or patriotism, two that those people are better qualified than those who don't serve at making the right decisions, and three is that democracy is only for passing ideas that I agree with and not for providing a voice for *all* people

Because its all about being a leech off a system

What you are advocating for is textbook aristocracy

That will drive the US further into debt

I do actually think you hint at a good argument but the conlusion you have come to I disagree with.
you are supposing service (volunteer work was the example you gave) is more beneficial to the community than people engaging in markets.
Consider the fact that anyone who is employed is contributing to the function their society not to mention they are also taxed.

@radeon If they go through to trouble of service, then by all mean try and change the system. you have that right now

It is a voluntary system

And i wrote out how i would make the system above

or just make a authoritarian dictatorship

Again you're assuming everyone who doesn't serve is a leech and you're taking for granted that you'll be denying rights to people because they're doing something you disapprove of and not because of any objective wrongdoing

because muh service

So perfect system state level everyone votes, House of Representatives only tax payers in that district, senate appointed by the state govenors and confirmed by state congress, president only those who have served

That's so stupid

Remove birthright citizenship, and make the Oath of Allegiance voluntary upon the age of 18-21

That is not an argument

There is no reason why someone who hasn't "served" is unqualified

Because they have no skin in the game

Social security is a good example of this

Lmao nigga they are voting on issues that affect their day to day life

It is putting us further and further in debt

Let's discriminate against those who served

It is not a "reason" based good

@radeon In soem cases like California, they're doing the opposite

@Deleted User Why? They work their asses off, and suffer more consequences

and?

young people on welfare is a very insignificant part of the deficit

too bad for them then

I can't believe I'm having to debate in favor of universal suffrage any it's 3 against 1, on *this* discord

they got their privledges

Any other sane folks online?

the largest proportion of welfare is spent on pensions

Universal sufferage belongs at the state level

Universal suffrage was advocated for by the socialist party in the 20s