Ok, again, define patriotism

@radeon
https://www.us-immigration.com/us-immigration-news/us-immigration/understanding-the-oath-of-allegiance/

Sucking the states dick @radeon

If patriotism just means loyalty to the state I'm not interested

What is or isn't patriotic is decided by whom?

A republic (from Latin res publica or "public matter") is a form of government in which power is delegated by law rather than heredity. This is in contrast to those systems of government where the ultimate power resides with the head of state, typically a monarch, theocrat or dictator, rather than a set of laws. Republican forms of government are the antipode of hereditary monarchy.

LAW

read the damn oath

what do you not understand about this

Why you think the United States is not a democracy when we hold elections which is the definition of democracy

Even if it's state level

@radeon Because we don't technically have to

Have to what, vote?

You, as a nobody, no

What does that have to do with anything

like, it's not in the constitution that drect democracy be the flavor

Who's a nobody? People you disagree with?

Non politicians

So we're back to unironically advocating for aristrocracy

Oh god what did I join

These are arguments people lost in the 19th century lmao

Did you just miss the entire post I maed JUST FOR YOU

No I saw it you're simply wrong

nice strawman bro

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Your argument against democracy boils down to might makes right and we should let the powerful rule because they're powerful because they rule because they're powerful etc

It's circular reasoning

WHAT

@TheTelescreen how much time you got?

This entire discussion requires an understanding of natural rights, rule of law, the purpose of government, republicanism, and the duties of citizenship

@Deleted User not much for the night why

You've yet to explain why we *should* be ruled by a powerful minority

That is not what was said

@TheTelescreen just leave the server , these people are being autistic

you asked what you just joined

a republic protects any minority's rights against the majority

@Deleted User You're being a nuisance and a troll

Same @Fitzydog

It's literally what you said. You want to deny voting rights to an activist minority based on the fact that they support the values of the state which in this scenario just so happen to be *your* values.