yes, we could, but i'm not asking to move into discussing it

when you talk to others oustside here you have to remember whats important to you at that time and what can be handled at that time is all im saying

i'll illustrate using this same conversation

well im making a broad criticism of everyone. I think fat people and how they treat their children is part of a larger cultural phenomena. Which is neglecting responsibility.

they guy above says this is because we dont slap kids, that derails his own argument, because now suddenly everyone has an opinion on what we werent already talking about

We have an attitude in the west that our problems and out poor actions are because of external factors.

its very risky to blame bad parenting in any situation where you dont have that information

the criminal probly had bad parents, but they were nice enough to leave a sweet note on the guys fence

which why there may be an element of truth to it. I think it is disingenuous to blame other people, or society for it.

No i agree, I would just blame the parents for bad parenting.

People like me with a lot of external factors need to be able to learn how to compartmentalize them and be productive in society

I wouldnt blame the media, of television or hollywood or the internet

it's great if a child can grow up with proper guidance. for the rest of us, it's like *well now what*.

I wouldnt even blame biases that exist in society. I think bias is usually a good thing.

the internet is another good example though

who is responsbile for what children view on the internet

the internet provider? the government? or the parents?

seems obvious to me that it is the parents

well then you ask why do so many children below age 10 now have smart phones

the internet is the place a child today will get most of their education

but i actually dont think its very important to protect kids from media

I do

on the other hand, the web is not like TV. its much more complicated

I dont think much is saved by a child not getting to play GTA or see his first titty

wandering into a social group could be pretty harmful though

ok well GTA is a poor medium for sexual education

There's no values being taught in relation to relationships

In fact the exact opposite

I think such an education would be damaging

In fact i know it is because I saw it when i was growing up

i think the more subtle messages they get can be more harmful

well i dont think GTA needs to be that source of values education but it is important

ideally values should be taught at home and in school but i would also argue those institutions are becoming increasingly decadent

especially school

religious families have a vehicle for teaching ethics, which is effective, though i'd argue it's not the best vehicle because it's confusing and stupid

But a nonreligious family might not have such a vehicle at all

maybe this is (another reason) why archetypical stories work well. they are easy to pass down with little education

if i dont have a body of work to draw on, i have to teach my kids ethics by making up my *own* stories, and what if im just not the creative type

I mean i dont have stats but i feel like we can safely assume that a christian family does better at parenting than a nonreligious family in general.

i dont know why you would assume that

They tend to be strongly oriented around the family