and the claim that fat families in the west are usually the poorest families

and there's a stong correlation between poverty and obesity

there is a lot of lowermiddle class morbidly obese people

its much harder to eat healthy when youre poor. so what. it takes effort to be in good health

yes but there's a strong correlation with poverty

which makes you think

the correlation is because of real obstacles

water is free

water is free if you trust your tap

yet they give their children sugar loaded drinks all the time

because they want one too

Well i think this is also part of a bigger picture

it related to many aspects of life

racial groups, sex groups, sexuality groups etc

we have a culture that doesnt want to take responsibility

which is funny because our grandparents generation was all about responsibility

there has been a massive generational change

its best to tackle issues in an isolated manner

i agree

why confuse something well-definable by including your other arguments

because it's part of modern culture

racial groups sex groups etc can also be from lack and want of identity and cameraderie

well we could get into it if you'd like

youll get into very complex issues very fast, and lose sight

and why groups refuse to take accountability for their actions

yes, we could, but i'm not asking to move into discussing it

when you talk to others oustside here you have to remember whats important to you at that time and what can be handled at that time is all im saying

i'll illustrate using this same conversation

well im making a broad criticism of everyone. I think fat people and how they treat their children is part of a larger cultural phenomena. Which is neglecting responsibility.

they guy above says this is because we dont slap kids, that derails his own argument, because now suddenly everyone has an opinion on what we werent already talking about

We have an attitude in the west that our problems and out poor actions are because of external factors.

its very risky to blame bad parenting in any situation where you dont have that information

the criminal probly had bad parents, but they were nice enough to leave a sweet note on the guys fence

which why there may be an element of truth to it. I think it is disingenuous to blame other people, or society for it.

No i agree, I would just blame the parents for bad parenting.

People like me with a lot of external factors need to be able to learn how to compartmentalize them and be productive in society

I wouldnt blame the media, of television or hollywood or the internet

it's great if a child can grow up with proper guidance. for the rest of us, it's like *well now what*.

I wouldnt even blame biases that exist in society. I think bias is usually a good thing.

the internet is another good example though

who is responsbile for what children view on the internet